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Can anyone do 2 1891 look up's please.

First one is Thomas H Graves born abt 1862/3 London, [Hoxton/Shoreditch area.

I know two Thomas come up born in London but its the Thomas H I want, BUT! if anyone wants to give me the info on the other one too that would be lovely

Also. in 1891c

Elizabeth Rainbird born 1866 London [Islington area], all the info on her too please.

Thanks
Kathryn

1891 poss
Name: Thomas H Graves
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth M
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsland, London, England

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: manager of lodging house

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Borough Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

Oh bother Ancestry just gone down

There was a wife Elizabeth and a young son


Okay back again

Elizabeth M born Blackfriars 1867
Thomas H Graves Southwark 1887

Marriages Jun 1886 (94%)


BARRATT Mary Shoreditch 1c 187
Graves Thomas Henry Shoreditch 1c 187
Jones William Stuart Shoreditch 1c 187
RAINBIRD Elizabeth Shoreditch 1c 187


1901 poss
Name: Thomas H Graves
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoxton, London, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:bootmaker

Condition as to marriage: married

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas H Graves 38
Thomas H Graves 14

So not sure the 1891 is correct

1891 poss??

Name: Thomas Graves
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, London, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: tailors assistant

Condition as to marriage: single

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A E Blackford 21
Rebecca Blackford 50
Robert P Blackford 63
Thomas Graves 27
Samuel Harriss 8

Thanks Glitter baby, right name and his wife was Elizabeth but the area born is wrong and they didn't have a lodging house. Did any info come up on the other Thomas that came up on the 1891c? My Thomas was born in Hoxton/Shoreditch area and was a brushmaker/bootmaker

Thanks again

Your so quick, you have managed to give me more info in the time its taken me to answer your first!.
Your right about the father and son that's the ones I'm trying to find in the 1891c. The wife's maiden name was Rainbird but it looks as if she might of left them sometime after the time young Thomas was born in 1886.

Thanks again.

Puzzled.

Is it the right marriage in 1886?

If so I was just wondering why you asked for 1891 for Elizabeth Rainbird.

Maureen

How do you know they didn't have a lodging house? What do you know?

Ozi.

Thanks Reggie,
Did it give an address? where this Elizabeth was working, where has your info gone? it was there a minute ago

Kathryn

The lodging house has come up before and the birth places are wrong also I know for a fact that the occupation was a brushmaker/bootmaker, but I think the brush in print looked like boot.

Kathryn

Ozi,

Can you do me a favour and check the 1891 posting where Thomas is a lodging house keeper as I am not totally convinced on the surname.

Thanks,

Maureen

Notice it's very specific where she was born.

1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Rainbird
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Zachariah
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: 23 Harrison St; St Pancras
Civil Parish: Islington St Michael
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:
Occupation:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household schedule number: 349
Household Members: Name Age
Zachariah Rainbird 27
Sarah Rainbird 28
Elizabeth Rainbird 4
Maria M Rainbird 3

Oh bother !!!!!!!!!!!!!


1901
Name: Thomas H Groves
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth M
Gender: Male
Where born: Kentish Town, London, England

Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: grocer

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Borough Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Charles H Groves 5
Elizabeth M Groves 34 Blackfriars
Thomas H Groves 39
Thomas H Groves 14



So 1891 must be wrong family

Ozi,

Thanks but do not check the 1891 census for lodging house keeper as it must be the wrong family.

Thanks again,

Maureen

& Elizabeth confirms that when she's on her own.

1891.
Elizabeth Rainbird abt 1866 St Pancras Servant Islington, London

OK Maureen.

Cheers Ozi

Maureen

For reference:

1881 England Census
Name: Thomas Graves
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 20 Hobbs Pl
Occupation: Brushmaker

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Balls 7
Maria Balls 32
Thomas Graves 18
Caroline Stewart 17

This is the right Elizabeth as her father was Zachariah and mother Sarah, I knew she was from that area but you now have given me her birth address, thanks.
I just wish I could track this family down from when young Thomas was born 1886 [the year they married] till the time father and son turn up again together in 1901c.
I think Elizabeth left and went back to her maiden name. but then again who knows!
Thanks again.

Hello you two,
Are you saying that you have found an Elizabeth Rainbird born 1866 St Pancras working as a servant in 1891c Islington??
The one Reggie found was born Holborn.
If you have found her can you tell me the address and all.
I am so pleased there are people like you out there to help people in need like me.
Thanks.
Kathryn

1891
Name: Elizabeth Rainbird
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Holborn, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 4 Milner St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Clara Lazarus 30
Lewis Lazarus 37
Reuben Lazarus 1
Reuben Lazarus 7 days
Rosetta M Lazarus 8
Elizabeth Rainbird 25


Shown as "M" for married