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Name: John Johnson
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 879

one of the names on the page is
Ellen Dwernhouse


so the 1871 census
Name: Ellen Johnson
[Ellen Doveirghman]
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby Household Members: Name Age
Mary Cadmus 78 -Relation: Lodger
Ann Doveirghman 76 -Relation: Mother
Richard Doveirghman 78 Relation: Father
- Annie Johnson 17
Ellen Johnson 32

That Annie Johnson is still in the same household in 1871:


Name: Annie Johnson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 59

William Barwise 19
Annie Johnson 18
Caroline Murphy 50
John Murphy 61
Stewart Nexon 22


(Heh. John Murphy was a lodger in 1861. Now he's "head".)


So that's not the same Annie as Janice has in 1871 with mother Ellen, after all ...

On that 1881 Cheshire household, Tracey -- whaddaya think of this in 1861?


Name: Ellen Johnson
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
>> Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Chorlton Upon Medlock
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Condition as to marriage: Unmarried
Occupation: Cook

>> Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Household schedule number: 163


The practice of naming one's grandfather as one's father when one married, if one's parents weren't married, was hardly uncommon!

Also in 1861:


Name: Annie Johnson
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
>> Where born: Chester, Cheshire, England

>> Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 18f
Household schedule number: 93

Annie Johnson 8
John Murphy 51
Caroline Reeve 40


Great Boughton covers Chester?


Births Mar 1853
JOHNSON Annie G Boughton 8a 339

Rosa have you tried to order her birth cert?

Thanks everybody I'm over whelmed with how helpful everyone has been. I have most of that but there was a Dwerryhouse in Kippax 1881 on familysearch . I will have another look. by the way Kippax was mentioned in the doomsday book its very pretty set on an escarpment with a Norman 10c Church. The Collinson Family have been ther for nearly 300 yrs It seems John Johnson is elusive. Annie and James were married at Kippax church in 1876 Ihave all their family its her mother I need now thanks again best regards -Rosa

How weird....

1881 England Census
about John Johnson
Name: John Johnson
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Preston Brook, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Preston On The Hill
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Warehouseman

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Daresbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Johnson 30
John Johnson 69

possible marriage?

Marriages Dec 1853 (>99%)
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Johnson John W. Derby 8b 610
Jones Eliza W Derby 8b 610
Jones Ellen W. Derby 8b 610
Ward Margaret W Derby 8b 610
Wilde George W Derby 8b 610

there is no Annie Johnson birth for 1854 Liverpool.... Grr

This is the closest??

Births Mar 1854 (>99%)
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Johnson Annie Chorlton 8c 322

She seems to be Ellen Dwerryhouse, but no marriage to a Johnson.

Okay fine, everybody else but me can find them in the 1881 census. ;)

That Richard and Ann's surname reminds me of the old "I don't know, but here it comes back again" joke; in 1861:

Name: Richard Dwerreyhous
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bootle, Lancashire, England


If we can figure out what it was, we can see whether Ellen's (Ellen, not Ann, duh) husband was a John Johnson!

1881
Name: Annie Collinson
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Kippax
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Collinson 26
James Collinson 26
John Collinson 4
Richard Collinson 2
Walter Collinson

Why on earth would Ancestry not find me that 1881 household no matter what I did??

Then here's a possibility in 1861:


Name: Annie Johnson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Household schedule number: 270

Annie Johnson 7
Jennet Johnson 3
Ann Munroe 55
Catherine Munroe 23
David Munroe 25
Ellen Munroe 17
James Munroe 54
James Munroe 28
James Munroe 14
John Munroe 19
William Munroe 11


But, Ellen in 1871 (not 1861, what I first said):


Name: Ellen Johnson
[Ellen Doveirghman]
-- whatever it says, it isn't that. Blast!
Age: 32 (I'd call it 37)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

1881 England Census
about Annie Collinson
Name: Annie Collinson
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Kippax
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: High St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Tadcaster
Sub-registration district: Aberford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Collinson 26
James Collinson 26
John Collinson 4
Richard Collinson 2
Walter Collinson

?1871
Name: Annie Johnson
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
mother is a wid. though

Kippax is a village in Yorkshire !

http://www.kippaxvillage.ukf.net/

Problem is, whatever Kippax is, it doesn't seem to have been used in the 1881. But this is them in 1891:

Name: James Collinson
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
>> Where born: Wortley, Yorkshire, England

Name: Annie Collinson
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
>> Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Marriage, for ref:


Marriages Dec 1875
Clayton Hannah Tadcaster 9c 1147
>> COLLINSON James Tadcaster 9c 1147
Fawcett Alfred Tadcaster 9c 1147
>> JOHNSON Annie Tadcaster 9c 1147


and 1901:


Name: Annie Collinson
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Kippax
Ecclesiastical parish: Kippax
Town: Kippax
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Tadcaster
Sub-registration district: Aberford
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 132

Annie Collinson 47
Annie Collinson 5
Arthur Collinson 14
Cecial Collinson 1
Fenton Collinson 4
George Collinson 7
Gerty Collinson 16
Harry Collinson 12
James Collinson 47
James Collinson 10
John Collinson 24
Nelly Collinson 18
Richard Collinson 22
Walter Collinson 20


Whew!

Rosa

What was her address on her marriage cert? and when was the marriage?

can you post 1901 census for ref.