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Thanks joan and all you kind people who helped me. It's another unsolved mystery that we have to accept. Genealogy is a very fraustrating hobby as you get more questions than answers. I have at least established that the medal came down through the Baker line as it was in another name so at least that is fact even if we cannot establish the connection to it. Once again many thanks Val

Val, it appears that all these Baker families may be related. You may never know how that medal got into your friend's hands. My cousin inherited some large portraits of some of my ancestors through her paternal grandmother--she's a third cousin to me. It's probably because her grandmother inherited the portraits from her mother who was the eldest daughter residing in the same area when the original owners of the portraits had died. They were also my great great grandparents (but my great grandfather moved away and didn't inherit anything from the family home). These are pieces of the puzzle we'll probably never find out.

Good luck!

Joan

Sorry Joan I must be really stupid today as I don't understand the info you have given me . I really appreciate your help. All these bishopstone references all tie in with the holder of the medal that started all this but not how my friend (who is a Baker) came to have it in his possesion.
Val

Val,

I'm having problems with Ancestry where a page comes up but the members of the family are coming up with another surname.

But I found these families living together--there is a Joseph,son of Thomas and a Joel, son of Henry that were born abt. the same time.

Record

Caroline Baker Joseph abt 1803 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Wife Bishopston, Wiltshire
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Edwin Baker Thos,
Mary abt 1837 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Son Bishopston, Wiltshire
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Elizabeth Baker Joseph,
Caroline abt 1839 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Daughter Bishopston, Wiltshire
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George Baker Joseph,
Caroline abt 1833 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Son Bishopston, Wiltshire
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Henry Baker Joseph,
Caroline abt 1847 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Son Bishopston, Wiltshire
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James Baker John abt 1836 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Son Bishopston, Wiltshire
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Joel Baker Joseph,
Caroline abt 1836 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Son Bishopston, Wiltshire
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John Baker abt 1803 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Head Bishopston, Wiltshire
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John Baker Joseph,
Caroline abt 1846 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Son Bishopston, Wiltshire
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Joseph Baker Caroline abt 1801 Bishopston, Wiltshire, England Head Bishopston, Wiltshire

Hi Joan , are you still around,Had a rethink. and you could possibly be right. Now can you find them on the 1851 census living together, if its not asking too much.

Henry baker b1847wilts
Joseph baker b 1836 wilts
Many thanks Val

Val, not to confuse you anymore, but Joseph Baker, the father to Edwin on the previous census was listed as an Agricultural Laborer (farmer).

Joan

Could Henry's father ? be a brother to Edwin's father (Joseph ?)?

Joan

I can't cope with this I will have to rethink.Edwin Baker was a farmer according to his sons birth cert. It's a complicated family setup . Going to have lunch and try to get the little facts I have straight in my head. Not easy at my age lol!!!
Thanks all you lovely people for your kind help. Val

1881 England Census
about Edwin Baker
Name: Edwin Baker
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Colerne, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Colerne
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address: Watergates Lane
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Chippenham
Sub-registration district: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Baker 37
Edwin Baker 11
Francis Baker 14
Harriett Baker 4
Joseph Baker 45
William Baker 33

Perhaps, they were cousins?

1891 England Census
about Edwin Baker
Name: Edwin Baker
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Colerne, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Colerne
Ecclesiastical parish: Colerne
Town: Colerne
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chippenham
Sub-registration district: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Baker 48
Edwin Baker 21
Elizabeth A Baker 25
Francis Baker 24

Thanks Vera But this Edwin must have been born in 1870's as just found marriage in1893 to jane Frankpitt .

Hi Valerie,
This Edwin Baker I showed you on the other census'........ in 1861 was a railway porter in London so the I don't think it is the one you are looking for !!!

Regards Vera

1851


Edwin Baker
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thos
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Bishopston, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Bishopston
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wilton
Sub-registration district: Wilton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age

Thomas 53
Mary 53

William 20
Edwin 14



Regards Vera

Hi Valerie

1841

Edwin Baker
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Bishopstone
Hundred: Downton
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Wilton
Sub-registration district: Bishopston
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Baker 42
Mary 42 George 15
William 10 Emily 8
Edwin 4

Uriah 85

Regards Vera

Joan thanks thats the birth but cannot tie in to Edwin Baker . Unfortunately have no info on him as the medal comes down to Henry Baker but friends connection is through this Edwin Baker who is his gt grandfather . It is so annoying as had ancestry until last week !!!Didn't find out about all this til too late !!!

Hi

Found this in 1901
Henry J Baker
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Crew
Gender: Male
Where born: Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Aden
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Royal Navy at Sea and in Ports Abroad
Sub-registration district: RN Ships
ED, institution, or vessel: Juno
Neighbors: View others on page
Regards Vera

Possible birth record for Henry

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Henry Joseph Baker
Name: Henry Joseph Baker
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wilton
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 219

Found this on Ancestry for 1901

1901 England Census
about Henry J Baker
Name: Henry J Baker
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Crew
Gender: Male
Where born: Salisbury, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Aden
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Royal Navy at Sea and in Ports Abroad
Sub-registration district: RN Ships
ED, institution, or vessel: Juno
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1

Many thanks vera does the 1901 census show an Edwin please?. No Edwin there , disappointing, I thought I had cracked it !!! Val

There's also this family in Wiltshire

1891 England Census
about Henry Baker
Name: Henry Baker
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Louise
Gender: Male
Where born: Colerne, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Colerne
Ecclesiastical parish: Colerne
Town: Colerne
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Chippenham
Sub-registration district: Corsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frank Baker 14
George Baker 6
Henry Baker 10
James Baker 43
Louise Baker 43
Mary Baker 19
Robert Baker 17