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I am trying to find the siblings of my g-grandmother Rose Thorne (birth registered Jul-Sep 1881 Aston 6d 346)

I found Rose on 1891 census living with a couple as a visitor along with siblings Albert & Keziah.

I have found a birth registered under Kezia Thorne (Apr-Jun 1887 Aston 6d 309) that ties in with the age on the census. I have been unable to find any trace of Albert at all or any further trace of Kezia or Keziah.

Can anybody help with where to go next or find any leads????
Many thanks
Vanessa

For ref;

1891 England Census
about Kezih Thorne
Name: Kezih Thorne
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham

Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Duddeston
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Bulloch 26
Ada Kempoter 19
Benjiman Kempoter 36
Maragate Kempoter 72
William Kempoter 26
Albert Thorne 8
Kezih Thorne 4
Rose Thorne 10

Wonder if this is Albert?

Births Sep 1883
Thorn Albert Aston 6d 340

or

Births Dec 1883
THORN Albert Birmingham 6d 161

could this be Kezia married to Joseph Bolton?

Marriages Sep 1916
Thorne Keziah Bolton Foleshill 6d 1191
Bolton Josep Thorne Foleshill 6d 1191

Hi Vanessa,

What (if any) relationship are the families to the Thorne children on the 1891 census??

Is Kezia a male or female?

Dee xx

Kempoter has to be a mistranscription...there are no BMD's for that name...

...Could they be a relative and the children misdiscribed on the census?

Tracey

I came across this,

Marriages Sep 1916 (>99%)

Bolton Josep Thorne Foleshill 6d 1191
Thorne Keziah Bolton Foleshill 6d 1191

On the census I thought it was a boy, so am I wrong??

Dee x

I think the surname is Kempster....?

Tracey

Unfortunately there is this as well but may not be your Kezia

Deaths Mar 1892
Thorn Kezia 4 Birmingham 6d 4

HI Denise & Selena

Thank you for your help - the 1891 census record is definitely them.
I believe that one of the Alberts above is going to be the other brother. I am veering more towards the Aston one as that is where the others seem to be registered.

I have found Rose married to Charles Wood in 1901 census but cant find any trace of Albert or Kezia - any ideas where I go from here to try and locate them?

Thanks again for taking the time to assist me.
Vanessa

Denise I think our posts crossed - my understanding from the 1891 census is that Kezia is a male.

Wayne/Tracey - My interpretation from the census was Kempster too so think you are right. I havent yet tried to see if they are related in any way.

Thanks for all your help - I am a bit of a novice at the mo so still lots to learn in finding the best ways to get information

The transcriber has his knickers in a twist....

Ada is NOT William's wife.... she is the lodgers wife! So Ada is a Bullock.

Benjamin is not the son of William, but most probably his brother......

Margaret is def the mother!!!!

Soooooo....it's most likely the children are related!

Tracey

Kezia is a female name. This is from googling

The girl's name Kezia \k(e)-zia\ is pronounced ke-ZYE-ah. It is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "cassia tree". Cassia is the generic name for a variety of trees and shrubs, one of which produces cinnamon. Biblical: one of the three fair daughters of Job. The name was adpoted by the Puritans and introduced to the US in the 18th century.

Kezia has 10 variant forms: Kazia, Kessie, Kessy, Ketzia, Ketziah, Keziah, Kezzie, Kissie, Kizzie

Possibly William's birth

Births Jun 1864
KEMPSTER William Birmingham 6d 156

Possibly William and Margaret in 1881, but it doesn't solve the problem

Margrett KEMPSTER Head W Female 60 Birmingham, Warwick, England
William KEMPSTER Son U Male 17 Birmingham, Warwick, England Railway Porter
Ada GODWIN Neice Female 8 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar
Arthur CLARKE Boarder Male 21 Birmingham, Warwick, England Railway Labourer
Harry IRELAND Boarder Male 18 Bromsgrove, Worcester, England Coal Carter
Joseph CLARKE Boarder W Male 64 Bham, Warwick, England Carter
Thomas TURKLEY Lodger U Male 30 Bham, Warwick, England Railway Labourer
Isaac PACEY Lodger U Male 20 Bham, Warwick, England Coal Carter
George WELCH Lodger U Male 24 Bham, Warwick, England Coal Carter

Dwelling 200 Gt Francis St
Census Place Aston, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341724
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3032 / 35
Page Number 63

Births Jun 1887
Thorne Kezia Aston 6d 309

No help at all but Ada Goodman married Joseph Bullock in 1890

Do you know the names of Rose Thorne's parents?

I have added an ammendment for Ada, so someone looking for her may be able to actually find her !!

Tracey

I think you might have to bite the bullet and order Kezia's birth cert and see whom the parents were...

Tracey

I dont know what I keep doing but I keep losing my replies before posting!

Tracey I came to same conclusion re the relationships shown on the 1891 census - all over the place! I havent managed to explore any chance of the children being related to the house members.

Well somebody got something wrong somewhere didnt they!! LOL I have just had a look at my g-mothers birth cert and that identifies the sex of the child so that would be the only sure way to find out.

I am inclined to think the death registered is the one - despite the spelling difference as there appears to be no other trace. Just got to find Albert now!

Thanks girls!
Ness

PS Im posting this before I lose it again!!!!