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Hi Everyone

I am trying to find the marriage between

George Smith and Elizabeth Church

George DOB 1869 guess yr due to 1901 census
Elizabeth DOB 1870 also same as above

George born suffolk, hollesley
Elizabeth born Kent, foots cray

Kind Regards
Samantha

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Marriages Dec 1892
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CHURCH Elizabeth Hendon 3a 252
SMITH George Hendon 3a 252

Hi

thankyou.

Im stuck on the year as george and elizabeth had 4 children the 1st was born 1889 also guess due to 1901 census.

1892 they would be married as they had a there 3rd child in 1895.

that is why i am stuck

regard
samantha

hi

right they would help knowing that, as i havent got her first two children's birth certificate.

I only have Fredrick R born Suffolk, Hollesley.
I have tried to search for him but suffolk hollesley isn't easy for me georgraphy not my strong point but the second child was born in kent foots cray,

sam

Hi

I still can not find fredrick r smith

sam

1891 Ancestry
Name: Frederic R Church
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
Ecclesiastical parish: Hollesley
Town: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip May 53
Susan May 52
George B May 15
Charles E May 12
Loda May 9
Emma May 28
Frederic R Church 2

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1477; Folio 55; Page 4

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Births Jun 1889
Church Frederick Reginald Woodbridge 4a 884

1881
Name: Elizabeth Church
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter in Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: Main Road

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge And Wilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Mays 43
Susan Mays 42
Emma Church 18
Elizabeth Church 13
Annie May Mays 8
Ellen Mays 6
George B. Mays 5
Charles E. Mays 2

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1882; Folio: 61; Page: 11

When I looked (quickly) at the 1911,it seemed as though Elizabeth Smith in Lewisham was born in Hollesley,so I think this must be the same Elizabeth Church.

She's a single servant in Lewisham in 1891.

Maureen

Hi

thankyou

I have been trying to find fredrick as a smith not a church thats where i could of been going wrong.

so that could also be the same to elizabeth church 2nd child Daisy E DOB 1894 Guess as of 1901 census, kent, foots cray.

You have been a great help.

samantha

how could elizabeth church age 13 be a daughter in law?

sam

so the info that Maureen found for me, saying she is a daughter-in-law, mean that her mum was a may?

im confused over that

The 1901 says Daisy was born in Hither Green, so I'd guess she's this one:
Births Dec 1893
Smith Daisy Elizabeth Lewisham 1d 1131

Maureen

hi maureen and everyone else

thankyou for all your kind help

samantha

Hi

I am gonna have to go so thankyou again all for you kind help.

Samantha
xxxx

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Marriages Mar 1873
CHURCH Susan Woodbridge 4a 860

May Philip Woodbridge 4a 860

1861 Ancestry
Name: Susan Church
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
James Church 27
Susan Church 23
Matilda Church 2

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1169; Folio: 61; Page: 8;

1871 Ancestry
Name: Susan Church widow
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Church 39
Emma Church 8
Elizabeth age 5
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1759; Folio: 52; Page: 15

Maureen

Hi Everyone

thankyou, sorry about last night I really needed to go to bed as I am due to give birth in a few days and i feel really tired.

thankyou so much to maureen for all of her help.

samantha
xxxx

OOOHHHH!!! Congrats,Samantha! How nice!
I'm sure your research will be on hold for a while now....
Maureen

Daughter-in-law on a census often meant Step-daughter, so Elizabeth could be the daughter of Susan's first marriage to a Mr Church. There is quite a gap between her and the next child.

Hi

Yeah, the 3rd child for me, I must be made hahaha.

she's due 22 sep, so its a waiting game.

Thankyou potty & chris, I am good at getting to this stage but going back even further, I am just useless.

Samantha

"I am good at getting to this stage but going back even further, I am just useless.
" quote
ROFL
You'd think that the third one would give you a clue !
Back to gene:
SPALL does seem to be the maiden name.

Best
Maureen

Hi Maureen

Yeah I think that I will stop at 3 children, Im quite happy with that number.

I know I have been doing this on and off for a yr of 2 but i really dont understand everything still, and going back further then the 18 centries is not my strong area, the same for the death record, i know that sounds silly.

may i ask what does ROFL stand for?

If SPALL seems right then that the next certificate I shall order.

Thankyou for you time it does mean alot

Regards
Samantha
xxx

Hi Samantha,
I'm sorry. That was just my pathetic attempt at making a "pregnant joke"-i.e.you're good at getting this far but going back further .........Never mind (ROFL is rolling on the floor laughing).

It IS difficult going back pre-census and registration. After you get Elizabeth's birth cert and determine that Susan and James are indeed her parents,this may help:
1851 Ancestry
Name: Susan Spawl
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Letticia
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Carlford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6c
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Spawl 56 Ag Lab born Sutton
Letticia Spawl 52 born Wantisden
Philip Spawl 23
John Spawl 14
Susan Spawl 11
William Spawl 9
Sarah Tricker 85 mother-in-law born Iken
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1801; Folio: 528; Page: 26

1841 Ancestry
Name: Susan Spall
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
Hundred: Wilford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:Darn! The first part of the word is cut off-the last part seems to be *okeley farm.

Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Spall 45
Letitia Spall 40
Phillip Spall 13
Mary Spall 11
Emily Spall 8
John Spall 4
Susan Spall 2
Nk Spall 2 weeks

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1041; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Hollesley; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 13; Folio: 6; Page: 5; Line: 1
.................................
IGI has:

LETITIA TRICKER

Marriages:
Spouse: RICHARD SPORLE
Marriage:
01 AUG 1819 Hollesley, Suffolk, England

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M131641 1819 0918502 Film NONE


1841 Ancestry (this one looks likely given the name Phillip)
Name: Sarah Tricker
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Gender: Female
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
Hundred: Wilford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford

Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Tricker 60 Ag Lab (both born in county)
Sarah Tricker 70
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1041; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Hollesley; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 21; Page: 12; Line: 15

I think we're going to have a little trouble with James CHURCH,though.
I'll post suspects in my next message.


Best,
Maureen