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Thanks to all who helped me trace George Moncur born 1832 in Scotland ?but now I have a problem two George Moncurs one born 1831 in Dundee and one Born in Klackmaninshire 1833 both without reference to parents where do I go from here- can some of you wonderful experts help

Kind Regards John Moncur

Do you know if he married and to whom , if he did.?

1881

George MONCUR Head M Male 49 Scotland Police Officer
Anna Bella MONCUR Wife M Female 48 Ireland Police Officer Wife
Geo.Hy. MONCUR Son U Male 13 England Shop Boy
Charlotte PALMER Visitor U Female 34 Ireland Dressmaker


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Source Information:
Dwelling 13 Kepler St
Census Place Everton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341878
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3664 / 66
Page Number 2

Hi,
I've had a look at census records and the George Moncur born Kincardineshire doesn't appear after 1851. The one listed as Angus appears to be on other Scottish census and I haven't found one in Clackmannanshire at all.
I would therefore think that if your George did not leave Scotland until after 1851 the Kincardineshire one looks the best option

Per census info in the other thread ... I did offer the link to it ... the two eldest children who are shown in the 1871 census were born in Ireland c1855.

However, "George Ann" in 1871 shown as born in Ireland could well be:


GEORGINA MONCUR
Birth: 04 SEP 1855 High Church, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father: GEORGE MONCUR
Mother: ANN MCKAY
Batch No.: C119181

and the birth should be at ScotlandsPeople to confirm and possibly provide more info?


There is also one George Moncur + Ann marriage in old records 1850-1854 at ScotlandsPeople.

And it was suggested in that thread that this birth record:

Births Mar 1867
MONCUR George Henry W. Derby 8b 353

would give the mother's name.

Having George Moncur's wife's name would surely help to find a marriage.

Re-inventing the wheel, and re-offering advice that apparently isn't interesting.

JaneyCanuck..... why the rant.... John already knows who George married etc all he wants help with is which of the George Moncurs born around the correct year is the one he is actually looking for.

Gee. I wonder why the perfectly justified objection to duplicating threads and prompting people to waste time. I wonder.

John has expressed his undying gratitude for the information I provided to him in this thread, of course.

Like fun he has, as my little brother once said. No, John preferred not to acknowledge his impropriety in starting this unnecessary thread, without even providing the essential background information, and went on blah blah blah.

Funny how so many people choose to overlook the fact that while I object to rule violations when I see them, I seldom refrain from ATTEMPTING TO HELP ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ASKED.

Did someone else search for and find and offer the Georgina Moncur birth record? Huh. Seems not.

Funnier still how I don't really care.

Oh, hm, excuse me.

"John already knows who George married etc"

Really? Where would that information be? In yet another thread?

The other thread says:

"wife Anna Bella born in Ireland"

That doesn't look to me like knowing who he married.

There's a point here, you see.

If a marriage record can be found, it would (should) provide parents' names.

With parents' names, it should be possible to determine which George Moncur is John's George Moncur, by finding him with those parents in a census.

I hope that helps.

Just because I hate leaving a job undone -- I had to yesterday when I had to rush my partner to the emergency room for the second time in four days, in a state of life-threatening diabetic ketoacidosis -- the Georgina Moncur birth record I found is probably not John's George's daughter.

1861

Name: Georgina Moncur
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's Name: Annie
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration district: High Church
Civil Parish: Glasgow St John
County: Lanarkshire

Different Moncur family, it seems.

Gotta rule out the wrong 'uns, though; all part of the process.

May I respectfully request that a few people mind their own business?

If anyone has any objection to the advice that John obtain the birth record for one of his George's children, in order to ascertain George's wife's name, in order to have a better chance of finding a marriage record, in order to learn George's parents' names, in order to find him in a census with those parents or find his birth record, do feel free to voice it.

I'm with you Janey - every step of the way!!!!

Another possible clue to age/DOB:

Deaths Jun 1883
Moncur George 53 West Derby 8b 325

My goodness Jonesy -- you seem to have solved John's entire mystery in two short lines!

I mean, I'm sure your post had a purpose, so that must have been it ...

And I really do most humbly beg everyone's forgiveness for having to dash off to the emergency room last night and not finishing the task set for us in this thread ... and the other thread ...

I did look at the birth cert for the Georgina born 1855 and knew it was nothing to do with this family.
If Janey had read what John has said NEITHER of the George Moncurs on the 1841 or 1851 census is listed with his parents so knowing his parents names would not necessarily help

And if you had read what I said, Aileen (I don't feel a need to address people in the third person), it was that knowing his parents' names (from a marriage record) could ALSO help find the (right) BIRTH RECORD.

Yeesh.

Maybe there *is* yet another thread I'm missing?

In the one to which I referred, there is no mention whatsoever of any Georgina Moncur birth, or any discounting of it.

Not sure how I -- or anyone else -- would have known that.

Allow me to predict the answer: that it was sent by PM. And allow me to say to that, if it is the case: what would the point of that be? To make sure that no one else trying to help had that info?

There are no births for George Moncur listed on Scotland's People between 1825 and 1835 so again knowing George's parents names is not going to necessarily be of help.
I don't know of any missing thread nor have I PM'd John as far as I can remember.

Well, I wonder what all us genealogy experts can think of.

Hmm. Maybe George was born to unmarried parents and registered under a different surname? Maybe knowing his parents' names or even the father's name stated on a marriage record would help if that were the case?

Does anybody here actually want to help figure this one out?

Jonesy just wants to edit his/her posts, I guess. Must've been some reason for that comment.

Unless it was the solution to the mystery of the universe itself.

So the Georgina Moncur birth was not relevant.

Is there actually some reason NOT to obtain the George (Jr) Moncur birth certificate??

I'm still in the dark here, Aileen.

1. I did look at the birth cert for the Georgina born 1855 and knew it was nothing to do with this family.

2. I don't know of any missing thread nor have I PM'd John as far as I can remember.

Your point? You knew that the Georgina 1855 birth was not relevant.

Is my correct response "Congratulations!"? I need guidance here.