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Hi

I have a relative who was here 1861 aged 20 from Kirn Prussia, then later it changes to Germany. I can find nothing to help me.
I know he was Jewish (this changed to catholic) and from our family bible their surname also changes Mesinger, Mefsinger and the one that I have know Messenger.

Can anyone please point me in the right direction, I now feel as though I am running in circles.

Thank you

Hi Jane

If you go to this site it will tell you all about Prussia and Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia

Regards Lynne

can you give his full name and we'll see what can be found?

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His name was Louis messenger/mesinger/meflinger he was born in 1840 i have found him on the 1861 census living with a cousin but cannot read census properly, on this census he states "Germany".

On 1881 census he is married with children and states "Prussia Kirn" He married an Annie Walton. His first child is also listed as Ida but in our bible she is called alexanora.

I know he is buried at Fortune Green Cemetery i was taken there as a child.

I do not know how to find how he got here, where he lived, why he left.

My gran always said he ran away because "they" were after him and his family.

I only have a sister left now and I need to know more, I need to know where I fit, so to speak.

Thank you for your offer, I really hope you can help me.

Jane

here he is - 1881 census

Louis MESSENGER Head M Male 41 Kirn (F), Prussia Cabinet Maker
Annie MESSENGER Wife M Female 44 Abridge, Essex, England
Ida MESSENGER Daur U Female 18 S Pancras, Middlesex, England
Leonard MESSENGER Son Male 15 S Pancras, Middlesex, England
Charles MESSENGER Son Male 13 S Pancras, Middlesex, England
Louis MESSENGER Son Male 11 S Pancras, Middlesex, England
Annie MESSENGER Daur Female 8 S Pancras, Middlesex, England
Albert MESSENGER Son Male 4 S Pancras, Middlesex, England
Christina MESSENGER Daur Female 2 S Pancras, Middlesex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 50 William St.
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341039
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0180 / 118
Page Number 55

have a look at this site

http://www.movinghere.org.uk/galleries/roots/jewish/tracingjewishroots/tracingjewishroots.htm

Thank you all so much for trying so hard for me.

The info that I actually am trying to find out is:

Where was Kirn...............I have checked Prussia and it is not there

How did he get here...........where do I look to find out how he travelled here

in 1861 he is living with a cousin Jonathana Green 1833 from Germany.......I can find no record of her, yet I know she was married to john green 1837 Ireland and that they had 2 children john charles 1859
and florence 1861...............I can find nothing of this family before or after 1861 census................how do I find a marriage cert for them

1881 census................how do I find them after that

My goal is to go to germany one day and find out more yet I have so little to go with.

Jane

Albert Edward was my grans father

Kirn (present-day Rhineland-Palatinate, then Prussian Rhine Province),

Kirn

A town and a municipality in the district of Bad Kreuznach, in Rhineland-Palatinate, Germany, it is situated on the river Nahe, approx. 10 km north-east of Idar-Oberstein and 30 km west of Bad Kreuznach.

BkXXXVI:Chap8:Sec1 Chateaubriand there in 1833.

Wow Thank you,

is Kirn still there? If not do you know what it is called today?

What are the closet large cities?

Rgds
Jane

now you're asking!!! I shall look in my world atlas for you - back in a jiffy

still there, but no big well known towns nearby that I can see - there is an airport near there though

the area it's in is called Pfalz - looks like the equivalent of one of our counties

Pfalz may refer to:

several historic states of the Holy Roman Empire (e.g. Kurpfalz, Pfalz-Zweibrücken), see Palatinate
Rheinland-Pfalz, a state of Germany, see Rhineland-Palatinate
Pfalz or Rheinpfalz, a region in Rhineland-Palatinate, see Palatinate (region)
Pfalz, a wine region in Rhineland-Palatinate, see Palatinate (wine region)

The Basler Pfalz offers a magnificent view over the Old Town and far out into the Three-Countries Corner.
The word «Pfalz» is derived from «palatium» = palace. The terrace high above the Rhine behind the Cathedral is called the Pfalz because the residence of the Bishop of Basel was in the immediate vicinity.

Stairs lead down from the Pfalz to the landing stage of the Münsterfähre (Cathedral Ferry). The ferry is attached to a wire rope stretched across the Rhine, and is propelled across the broad river purely by the force of the current. There are three other ferries in Basel, and all of them are a popular attraction for both young and old.
Through a narrow gate one passes from the terrace into the quiet cloister of Basel Cathedral. Here one finds richly ornamented gravestones of members of well-known Basel families dating from the 16th to the 19th century.

Most of the (Rheinland-) Pfalz’s eastern border is formed by Rhein river. So it is quite logical that crossing states into or out of Palatine is not always easy. It often means detours to the next bridge or ferry. Now I have counted the Rhine crossing options of whole Rheinland Pfalz: 18 ferries, 6 motorways and 14 streets (4 of them alone only for Koblenz). This is due to the quite big width of the river, which makes bridge building quite expensive and challening (thanks Kenny for having explained this to me some time ago). So ferries are easier to find and use – provided you don’t have phobias. Some are only for bikers and pedestrians

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