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Grianaig
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9 Dec 2009 17:38 |
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Tracing my maternal side, have hit a very sticky situation. It concearns my 2x G Grandmother Margaret McLean. She married her husband John swan in 1885 in Glasgow and it gave her parents names as being James McLean & Margaret Sutherland. However when looking for her birth cert in or around 1849 I cannot fnd her. However in the 1881 Scotland Census states that she was the Stepdaughter of a woman called Margaret McLean. So her father James must of been married at least twice. Cannot find any of his marriages. Nor can I find either Margarets or James birth records.
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Jacqueline
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9 Dec 2009 18:18 |
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What age does it say she was when she married and where does it say that they were all born in the 1881 census? DO the ages in the census and marriage cert tie up?
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Jacqueline
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9 Dec 2009 18:29 |
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Checked the parish records for a birth of Margaret McLean father James around the time you said and these came up
1 03/05/1846 MCLEAN MARGARET JAMES MCLEAN/MARGARET MCKILLOP FR7334 F PERTH /PERTH 387/ 0280 0104 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER 2 31/01/1853 MCLEAN MARGARET JAMES MCLEAN/JANET ROBERTSON FR552 MADDERTY /PERTH 378/ 0030 0052 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER 3 21/02/1853 MCLEAN MARGARET JAMES MCLEAN/MARY WYLIE FR6401 F GLASGOW GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/001 0390 0366 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER 4 19/10/1853 MCLEAN MARGARET JAMES MCLEAN/MARY MCQUILLAN FR680 F CARDROSS /DUNBARTON 494/ 0030 0234 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
not quite sure where you would go from here though as parish records give no other info than what is on the index
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9 Dec 2009 18:29 |
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is this the 1881 for ref
Name: Margaret McLean Age: 31 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relationship: Stepdaughter Gender: Female Where born: Edinburgh Registration Number: 685/3 Registration district: Canongate Civil parish: Edinburgh South Leith County: Midlothian Occupation: Dressmaker ED: 37 Household schedule number: 89 Line: 15 Roll: cssct1881_287 Household Members: Name Age Margaret McLean 58 Margaret McLean 31 James McLean 30 Isabella McLean 12 William McLean 10 Alexander McLean 8 Charles McLean 1 John Swan 25
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 18:38 |
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1901 Margaret Swan Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : John Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 575 Registration district: Renfrew Civil parish: Renfrew Town: Renfrew County: Renfrewshire Address: 27 Queen St ED: 6 Household schedule number: 177 Line: 22 Roll: CSSCT1901_214 Household Members: Name Age John Swan 54 Margaret Swan 53 William S Deans 17 Nellie Deans 13 Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection.
Save This Record Attach this record to a person in your tree THIS YOUR MARGARET ?
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 18:43 |
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REGISTRATION IN SCOTLAND NEVER CAME IN TILL 1855 .YOU MEAN PARISH RECORDS,BUT SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN BAPTISED?
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9 Dec 2009 18:48 |
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Are both parents living in 1885 when marriage took place?What was fathers job?
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9 Dec 2009 18:53 |
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What was Margaret's job in the Marriage details ?
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 19:07 |
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Have you got a Marriage on Scotlandspeople for JAMES McCLEAN and MARGARET SUTHERLAND?
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Grianaig
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9 Dec 2009 19:14 |
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The post by June is the Census record that I was referring too, as when Margaret McLean married John Swan they were living at the same addr in Edinburgh. Had another look at the Marriage Cert and it does add up, so would be same people. John was 31 & Margaret 36 when married. As in the Census in 1881 John was 25 and Margaret 31. It also looks like where Margaret is somewhat of a pain in the haystack, if I can find her death cert then I maybe find her real mother. Margarets job in her marriage cert is given what seems to be a Mantlemaker and Johns as a Wood Turner. Haven't yet found a marriage for James McLean + Margaret Sutherland, but looking at soundex.
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 19:18 |
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I would have expected her married c1875 if born then .What's her age in Marriage Certificate?
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9 Dec 2009 19:19 |
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Possible death:
Margaret McLean / Swan 1925 County: Midlothian District: St Andrew
Birth year: 1850 ( +/- 5yrs)
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 19:26 |
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So is my 1901 Census the wrong one?
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 19:41 |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JAMES MACLEAN Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: CATHERINE SUTHERLAND Family Marriage: 02 AUG 1844 Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages:
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9 Dec 2009 19:44 |
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Margaret McLean Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Catherine Gender: Female Where born: Edinburgh Registration Number: 685/1 Registration district: St George Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts County: Midlothian Address: 22 Clarence St Occupation: Scholar ED: 73 Household schedule number: 37 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1861_125 Household Members: Name Age James McLean 37 Catherine McLean 33 Margaret McLean 12 James McLean 10 Ann McLean 8 Catherine McLean 5 Archibald McLean 3 Thomas McLean
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 19:54 |
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JAMES MCLEAN Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET BLYTH Family Marriage: 07 JUN 1867 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 19:55 |
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Worth looking up that marriage .Used my last unit on Scotlandspeople
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ellieathome
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9 Dec 2009 20:05 |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALEXANDER MC LEAN Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 27 MAR 1873 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES MC LEAN Family Mother: MARGARET BLYTH
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. THIS IS THE ALEXANDER MACLEAN IN THE 1881 CENSUS
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9 Dec 2009 20:08 |
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WILLIAM ARCHIBALD MC LEAN Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 22 MAY 1870 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES MC LEAN Family Mother: MARGARET BLYTH
THIS IS WILLIAM MCLEAN FROM THE 1881 CENSUS -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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9 Dec 2009 20:17 |
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ISABELLA MC LEAN Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 16 JAN 1869 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES MC LEAN Family Mother: MARGARET BLYTH
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C116852 1863 - 1869 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE Sheet: 00
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Isabella McClean from the 1881 Census
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