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Mary Watkins married John Capel (b1893) in St Giles church, Oxford in 1815. (IGI) She died in 1816 shortly after giving birth to her one and only son William. John Capel went on to remarry twice - Susannah and Ann Bennett (sisters).
My problem is that I can not trace where William went after his mother's death - not mentioned in Cumnor again. Can not find her baptism. The middle name of all the males thereafter were Watkins so I am thinking that maybe her parents took William? William shows up again on the 1851 census in St Pancras.

Any help would be very appreciated.

maybe some death certificates will help,or watkins tree's?

Thanks Martock that is my problem - no death certs in 1816 and Watkins is a very common name! Esp with no parental names .......

Hi Sally
Can you just clarify some of the dates above please,it is a little confusing.
Where or what is Cumnor.
Sue

Marriage for Ref

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about John Capel
Name: John Capel
Gender: Male
Spouse's name: Susannah Bennett
Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1818
Marriage Place: Cumnor, Berkshire, England

I now know where Cumnor is.

Hi Sue,
Sorry.....Cumnor is a little village just outside of Oxford. I know that William the son was born there as it is shown on a later census for him and the dates fit with 1816. John Capel (Wheelwright) is named as his father on his marriage cert in 1845.
Mary married John Capel in 1815 in St Giles, Oxford but died in Cumnor where they lived in 1816 (seen church records for Cumnor).
Yes John goes on to marry twice - thank you I have all the details relating to John and the Capel but I have had a problem tracking where William went betwen 1816 and 1851 and Mary Watkins' parents and ancestors...her line ends with her death presently.

Is this your William Capel you mentioned in 1851.

1851 England Census
about William Capel
Name: William Capel
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumnor, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
William Capel 34
Mary Capel 25
Mary Rachel Capel 5
William Capel 4
Esther Capel 2
John Roberts 13
William Fowler 27
Ellen Fowler 27

This looks like his Bapts,For Ref.


England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about William Capel
Name: William Capel
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1816
Christening Date: 13 Oct 1816
Christening Place: Cumnor, Berkshire, England
Father's Name: John Capel
Mother's Name: Mary

The marriage
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY WATKINS Family
Marriage: 17 JUL 1815 Saint Giles, Oxford, Oxford, England

Have you seen the actual parish register entry for the marriage of Mary and John? Maybe her father was a witness and is named there?

Gwyn

Your best bet is to get the full details from the parish register of the marriage, ie witnesses etc , maybe her father's name will be listed.
It may also say whether she was from that parish or elsewhere.
Witnesses to the marriage could be parents or siblings.

Without knowing where she was from finding her parents is difficult.

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Results for: Mary Watkin, Birth/Christening, 1783 - 1803, Oxford, England, British Isles
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1. MARY WATKINS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 07 APR 1786 Deddington, Oxford, England
2. MARY WATKINS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JAN 1789 Alkerton, Oxford, England
3. MARY WATKINS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 OCT 1794 Aston Rowant, Oxford, England
4. MARY WATKINS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 NOV 1799 Mapledurham, Oxford, England

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1. MARY WADKINS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 AUG 1797 Clewer, Berkshire, England

Hi Sally
Can you post the details of Williams marriage please,maybe we can find something there,IE witt's fathers details

I am finding no other ref for a marriage for John and Mary other than the one posted and that one is the wrong spelling for Johns last name .

Hi Gwyn, no I haven't unfortunately.

Hi Victoria, thanks - the Aston Rowant one looked promising until she died very shortly after!!!! Arghhhh.....

Sal

Hi Susan,

William's marriage to Mary Roberts shows John Capel as father (Wheelwright), he is living in Randolph St of full age and a bachelor, servant.

I know that John has two 'll's in the marriage but spello's do happen and am 100% sure that all is true.

So......really I need to try to get the details of the marriage and see (and cross fingers) that someone of her family were witnesses.....yeah a break through maybe???????
Sal

Hi Sally

I finally found the marriage cert of william Capel and Mary Roberts,I was hoping to be able to read the witt's names but that was impossible.
They read Thos B??? Wumphoney and what looks like Noreen Charles,it is very hard to read.

I can find nothing for a marriage for John and Mary
anywhere,except the one posted.

Can you tell us how you know he married a Mary Watkins,what is the source of your info for that as I have found other Marys that he could have married

Have you tried schools in the area,he had to go to school somewhere.
Sue

Susan, thank you so much for trying......I know I have had 20 years of trying hence why I put it out for help....I kinda think that I will not find her ancestry but hey ho, such is life.

Thank you so much for trying

Sal x

How do you access schools?

Sally
If you look up schools in the area you think he lived in and put them in your browser see what comes up or google thre name of the schools ..

In my previous post I asked how you know John married Mary Watkins ,could he have married another Mary with a differnet last name .
Sue

Hi Susan

Thanks for that....

John Capel was married to Mary Watkins and the evidence is -

We have the marriage of them and in the church in Cumnor it shows she dies there.
Also we have the family name of Watkins right throught our family?
I suppose there is nothing more for me to confirm it...

Sal