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Hi, thanks for looking at this post!

I'm trying to find more information about the Jordan's in my family.

My Great Great Great grandfather Patrick Jordan (b.c.1835-d1875) and his brother William (c1840-1913) and sister Anne (c1840-1911, married Gill) came to Montreal from Ireland probably before 1860.

Patrick Jordan married a woman Mary and they had 2 children in Montreal: Margaret (c1870-1934, married Laramee) and James Jordan (1870-1921).

James Jordan married Mary Scott (1873-1945) and they had two daughters Maude and Florence, so my Jordan's end here. Maude is my great grandmother!

Basically I would like to know if there are any other Jordan relatives out there and if we know where this Jordan family came from in Ireland.

I don't live in Montreal/Canada anymore, all the info we have to go by is the information related to our family burial plot and confirmation from the 1911 Canadian census that James Jordan exists. As far as I am aware, all the Jordan family related to me who emigrated to Montreal is buried in the same plot in Montreal.

I hope someone has any leads, please get in touch.

Kind regards

Devon

I don't pay for full access to Canadian records at Ancestry. (My ancestors didn't immigration to Canada until after 1900 so Cdn records aren't much use to me!)

But a basic search of records at Ancestry.ca

http://www.ancestry.ca/search/default.aspx

for Patrick Jordan born 1835 produces a couple of results that would be worth looking at.

1861 census
Name: Patrick Jordan
Birth: 1834 - location
Residence: Montréal, Canada East

1871 census
Name: Patrick Jordan
Birth: abt 1834 - location
Residence: township, Montreal Centre, Quebec

... However, searching the 1861 census

http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=1570

for surname Jordan in Canada East born in Ireland (for an exact match) doesn't produce your people.

It would certainly be worth doing some searching in the early Cdn censuses though. Also, BMD records in the Drouin Index, available at Ancestry, could contain family info (e.g. father's name, on a marriage record).

The 1881 census is available free of charge here:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

... but I'm not seeing your people there.

What I was wondering was whether they came to Canada with their parents, and the parents might be with them in the 1861 census, e.g. Maybe someone here with worldwide Ancestry access with have better luck!

1861

Name: Patrick Jordan
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Year: 1834
Birthplace: Lower Canada
Marital Status: Single
Home in 1861: Montréal, Canada East
Religion: Roman Catholic
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Jordan

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1871


1871 Census of Canada
about Patrick Jordan
Name: Patrick Jordan
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Birth Year: abt 1834
Birth Place: Quebec
Marital Status: Married
Religion: Catholique
Origin: Iralandaise <<<<<<<<<<<<??
Province: Quebec
District: Montreal Centre
District Number: 104
Division: 01
Subdistrict: East Ward
Subdistrict Number: c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alíce Jordan 23
Mary Jordan 9
Maggie Jordan 6
Patrick Jordan 4
Edward J. Jordan 8m
Mary Jordan 60
Marie Daigneault 17
Sarah Mc.Laughlen 26
Patrick Jordan 37

"Irelandaise" is French for "Irish". The census forms in Quebec/Lower Canada were completed in French.

Other than that, the info doesn't seem to match in that one, though ...

Name: Patrick Jordan
Spouse: Mary Ellen Finlay
Event Year: 1861 25th November
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Saint Patrick)
Province: Québec (Quebec)

Patrick father's a Edward Jordan mother Mary jordan
Mary Ellen father's a frederick Finlay mother Ellen Forbes deceased

found 2 children
Name: Margaret Jordan
Event Year: 1864 28th april
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Saint Patrick)
Province: Québec (Quebec

Name: Francis Frederick Edward Jordan
Event Year: 1865 21st December
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Saint Patrick)
Province: Québec

Mary Ellen died, but so far can't find her death, Patrick remarried

Name: Alice Jane Brankin
Spouse: Patrick Jordan
Event Year: 1869
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Basilique Notre-Dame) Province: Québec (Quebec

Can't find james birth but this is his marriage
Name: James Patrick Jordan
Spouse: May Scott
Event Year: 1892
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Saint Patrick)
Province: Québec (Quebec
Full name James Patrick Jordan father Patrick mother Alice Brankin
May's father William Scott mother mary ann looks like Dooley

Thanks for your replies everyone! This is great stuff...

I especially think the posts by Maude are most relevant, this is why;

Buried in the family plot are what we think are two wives of Patrick Jordan b. c.1835. - In the cemetery records the deceased are listed as Mary Furlay 1839 and Mary Jordan 1889. It has always confused us.

Finlay is pretty close to Furlay - there perhaps was a spelling mistake somewhere? Odd that there is no Alice Jane listed in the cemetery, would she have renamed herself Mary or could this be a middle name or another mistake? This remarriage by Patrick would explain the burials associated with him in our plot, but still unsure.

We have no record of a son but perhaps he died in early childhood? Wonder why he wouldn't have been buried in the family plot? Patrick definitely had a daughter Margaret, we we never sure when she was born, but she was buried in 1937. The son James Jordan was definitely born around 1870 and was buried 1921. Interesting that Margaret and James may have been half brother and sister...

The further link you found Maude, James P Jordan's marriage has to be my family. Ma(r)y parents match exactly with what I have, and I think the mother's name is Toohey, all this Scott information coming from the other family plot in Montreal for the Scott family. It all matches up.

Are you able to tell if the parents of Patrick Jordan bc1835 were in Canada or if you can tell when they might have come over from Ireland?

Thanks so much for all your help,

Devon

Out of curiosity I tried to look at the pilot site of the Drouin records, based on the information below about Margaret Jordan b1864.

(http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1321742;s=waypointsOnly;w=0;p=waypoint) is the link.

Anyhow, you can see the actual record and signature of the people present at her baptism! The record says:
the 28th april 1864 we the undersigned priest have baptized Margaret born yesterday on the careful marriage of Patrick Jordan (word i can't read), and of Ellen Findley of this parish. The sponsors(?) were John Joseph Curran and Alice Jane Brankin'
and then they have signed the register.

I then looked up the same record for the son, Francis Fred Ed, and found it on the 31st of December:
'31 December 1865 we the undesigned priest have baptized Francis Frederick Edward, born on the twentyninth, infant of the careful marriage of Patrick Joseph Jorden, lumber merchant, and Ellen Finley of this parish, the sponsors(?) were Owen Joseph Devlin and Julia Emma Finlay undersigned with the father.

I could not find the marriage record on this search for the dates 25/11/1861 and almost all of December in this parish. but maybe I have to look earlier instead of later.

I would never have found this information on the Drouin if it hadn't been for the parish names, thanks again!

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Burial dates and partner list, from the Jordan Family Cemetery
Prénom Nom Conjoint(e) Date d'accueil
Patrick Jordan Mary E Furlay 01/09/1875.
Mary E. Furlay Patrick Jordan 10/08/1867.
Mary Banan Conroy 25/08/1889 (?)
Mary Jordan Jordan 25/08/1889 (?)
William S Jordan 05/07/1913.
M. Ann Jordan Gill 02/11/1911
Margaret Jordan Laramee 24/10/1934
James Patrick Jordan Mary Scott 14/09/1921.
Mary Scott James Patrick Jordan 20/12/1945.
Florence Jordan Rheaume 01/10/1948.
Maud Jordan Leo E Decelles 25/07/1958.
Leo Ernest Decelles Maud Jordan 17/05/1943.

The ones with question marks - i wonder if this was Alice Jane Brankin? Not just a coincidence she was on the witness list for the baptism of Margaret??

Alice Jordan death

Name: Epse Jordan Dane J Alice Brankin
Event Year: 1872
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Basilique Notre-Dame)
Province: Québec (Quebec)

Mary Jordan death 1889 is the widow of Edward jordan

Glad to have kickstarted this for you Devon! It was sinking rapidly, I think because most people here see "Canada" and think they won't be able to help; I think I *should* be able to help even if I can't. ;)

I've been so miserably sick this week I'm running about 40 IQ points down and can't even follow what's in the thread now, but it looks like you're well on your way. Good luck!

OK, I think I’m officially confused now!

If my Patrick Jordan (bc1835) remarried Alice Brankin in 1869 after the death of Mary Finlay c 1868, it would appear as though not all the Jordan’s from my family are buried in the family plot. Alice Brankin is not, for one, and neither are Francis Fred Ed b 21/12/1865 or Mary Jordan age 9 in 1871 or Edward J age 8mths in 1871.

If the information posted by Fanny on 10 March is correct, there are many more children associated with my Jordan family than previously thought. If we look at the dates in Fanny’s post, from the 1871 census, Patrick was then married to Alice and it would appear as though the only children born from that marriage would have been (James) Patrick 4 yrs and Edward J Jordan who was 8mths in 1871.

There could have been another child after this, but Maura’s post of 11 March shows that Alice also died soon after in 1872. The age of the children in Fanny’s post of the 1871 census point to Mary Jordan (bc1862), Maggie (bc 1865) as having Mary E Finlay as a mom. So when Patrick Jordan remarried Alice Brankin would have had 2 children by him: my direct descendent (James) Patrick Jordan in 1869/70 and Edward J. Jordan in 1870/71. How sad to have 2 wives die pretty soon after another, if this is all true!

Back to the family plot in the Montreal cemetery, If Mary Jordan who died in 1889 was Edward Jordan’s wife, parents of my Great Great Great grandfather Patrick Jordan (b.c.1835-d1875) and his brother William (c1840-1913) and sister Anne (c1840-1911, married Gill), then we can see that Edward Jordan was also not buried in the family plot. This also leaves the mystery woman named Mary (Banan) Conroy who died the same year and was buried on the same day as Mary Jordan in 25/08/1889. We still can’t find any relation to my family but she must be linked somehow!

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Found Mary Ellen death,she died September 67, Joseph Patrick was born Sept 1867, so that him in the 71 census not your James, although James give Alice Brankin as his mother on his marriage, so he must of been born between 71 & 72


Name: Mary Ellen Finley
Event Year: 1867
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Basilique Notre-Dame)
Province: Québec (Quebec)


Name: Joseph Patrick Jordan
Event Year: 1867
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Basilique Notre-Dame)
Province: Québec (Quebec)

Name: Epse Conroy Mary Bonan
Event Year: 1880 december
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Basilique Notre-Dame)
Province: Québec (Quebec

married to a William Conroy 1867, her parents were a Patrick Bannon & elizabeth Hoey, his father was a William Conroy & Ann O' the rest of her name is smugged. Witnesses at the marriage Nicholas Kinsella & Ellen Phelan

Thanks for that additional info!

Is it possible to find other siblings related to the original family Patrick Jordan (b.c.1835-d1875) and his brother William (c1840-1913) and sister Anne (c1840-1911, married Gill) who are buried in the family plot?
These should have the parents Edward and Mary - and can anyone see more about this couple?

Odd that the death date is off by 9 years for Mary Banan Conroy - but this has to be her family link! I found the info on the 1852 Ca census, they must have gotten Hoey wrong and put the surname as Ohio, if the lead is right! Still no clue why she is buried with our family...
1852 Canada Census
Home / 1852 / Canada East / Huntingdon (county) / 142 Chateauguay parish [St. Joachi... / p. 3d, 4a, (7)
12 Bannan, Patrick Cultivateur Canada Catholique romaine 52 M
13 Ohio, Elisabeth Épouse Canada Catholique romaine 40 F
14 Bannan, John Journalier Canada Catholique romaine 18 M
15 Bannan, Marie** Canada Catholique romaine 15 F
16 Bannan, Marguerite Canada Catholique romaine 13 F
17 Bannan, Elisabeth Canada Catholique romaine 11 F
18 Bannan, Mathew Canada Catholique romaine 10 M
19 Bannan, Rose Canada Catholique romaine 6 F
20 Bannan, Patrick Canada Catholique romaine 5 M
21 Bannan, Catherine Canada Catholique romaine 2 F

Name: Vve Gill Mary Ann Jordan
Event Year: 1911
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Basilique Notre-Dame)
Province: Québec (Quebec)
aged 49
Husband's a Joseph Horace Gill
She is more than likely Patrick's daughter

Name: William Jordan
Event Year: 1913
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Basilique Notre-Dame)
Province: Québec (
aged 42
parents Patrick Jordan & Alice Birkin probably spelt wrong

found this baptism
Name: William Frederick Jordan
Event Year: 1875
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Saint Patrick)
Province: Québec (Quebec

Parts of it are faded, but what i can make out he was privately baptised on the day of his birth 4th april 1872, father first name can't make out, surname Jordan lumber merchant mother Alice Brankin, sponsors Edward Brankin & Alice Brankin, I did find a birth for a Edward Brankin 1856 Quebec parents Edward Brankin & Alice Toff

1891 Census of Canada
about William Jordan
Name: William Jordan
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Quebec
Relation to Head of House: Nephew
Religion: Roman Catholic
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Province: Quebec
District Number: 172
District: Montréal Centre
Subdistrict: St Laurent Ward
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Mall 40
William F Mall 25
Henry Mall 23
Robert Mall 21
Alice Mall 19
Alice Braukin 72
Edwd Braukin 33
William Jordan 19
Ida Bergeron 27
Elizabeth Sheldon 21
Adelard Daoust 16

Wow, Maura, I wish i could get you a virtual pint for all your help!

The picture of my family tree is starting to clear up a wee bit! The beginning of my family tree looks like this now:

Edward Jordan = Mary (d1889) (both born in Ireland?)
+Patrick Jordan (b.1834 - bu01/09/1875) = Mary Ellen Finlay
(bu10/08/1867) they married c.25.11.1861
+Mary Ann (b1862-bu02/11/1911) = Joseph Horace Gill
+Margaret (b28/04/1864-bu24/10/1934 = Laramee
+Francis Frederick Edward (b30/12/1865, bapt 31/12/65)
+Joseph Patrick (bSept1867)
2nd marriage = Alice Jane Brankin in 1869. (d1872)
+Edward J(ohn?) (b1870)
+William Frederick (b04/04/1872-bu05/07/1913)
+James Patrick (b Aug 1871–bu14/09/1921) = Ma(r)y Scott in
1892
All of the children would have been under 13 years of age when Patrick died preceded by his two wives. This could explain why the children may have been dispersed amongst family, particularly William Jordan was living with his aunt & uncle Elizabeth & Edward Brankin, cousins and grandmother.

Patrick b 1834 must have had brothers and sisters. Can you see if Edward and Mary had any other children. Are you able to tell if/when they emigrated to Canada? Or anything else about them?

Interesting about the Mall's below. I went on the cemetery records and found an Elizabeth Brankin married to a Wall buried 02/06/1921.The list of deceased in that plot also include James Brankin buried 03/05/1884, M.Ann Brankin (married O'Brien) buried 20/11/1855 and Alice Jane Brankin's mother Alice Tuff who married Edward Brankin. She was buried 24/04/1895.

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Name: Margaret Jordan
Spouse: Louis Hormisdas Adam Dit Laramee
Event Year: 1914
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Saint Patrick)
Province: Québec (
Margaret parents Patrick Jordan & Ellen Finlay both deceased
witnesses Louis father & a Harry Gill

Name: Francis Frederick Jordan
Event Year: 1866
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Catholique
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Basilique Notre-Dame)
Province: Québec (
parents Patrick Jordan & Mary Ellen Finlay