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Hello, I am trying to search for my Husbands mothers’ family, without much luck

The surname is Gill and her father; Walter Richard Gill was born in January 1907 in Walthamstow.
His father, on the birth certificate is Fredrick Gill, Bricklayer, and his mother, who registered the birth, is down as Mary Elizabeth Gill, formerly Burns.

Walter Gills marriage certificate dated April 1930 confirms his father’s name – Fredrick Gill, and Occupation, Bricklayer.

I have been very successful in my searches of my family & my husband’s fathers’ side but the Gills are evading me.
I have tried the FreeBMD, Genes reunited, 1881 Mormon census and Ancestry.co.uk, all draw blanks when I’m searching for Fredrick Gill. Any that seem of the right age or location are not married to a Mary Burns.

Have you any idea where I could go next. Walter Gill only had one daughter, and she can’t provide me with any more to go on.

Sharon

Do you have Fredrick & Marys marriage certificate for their ages, dads names & dads occupation

At long last found their marriage

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
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>>Burns Mary Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 342
Franks Ellen Cardiff 11a 342
>>>Gill Frederick Cardiff 11a 342
Royall Thomas Smith Cardiff 11a 342

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Burns Mary Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 342

Gill Frederick Cardiff 11a 342


here is the marriage


June x

this is the 1901 and Frederick is a Bricklayer

Frederick Gill
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary E
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipton George, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: North Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Household Members: Name Age
Elsie Gill 3
Frederick Gill 30
Ida Gill 10 months
Mary E Gill 31.... Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales

this is the 1871

Frederick Gill
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipton George, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Shipton George
Ecclesiastical parish: Sarum
Town: Shipton George
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bridport
Sub-registration district: Burton Bradstock
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Gill 5
Frederick Gill 1
Martha Gill 42
Selean Gill 7

Martha is married & a Masons wife

1871 wales
Name: Mary Burn
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Sarah A
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiff

Civil Parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: Roath
Town: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 28c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 530
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Burn 1
Richard Burn 28
Sarah A Burn 24





1881 wales

Name: Mary E. Burns
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard T.
Mother's Name: Sarah A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Llandaff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 35 South Morgan St
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Burns 9
Eleanor Burns 2
Henry Burns 4
Herbert Burns 5
Mary E. Burns 11
Richard T. Burns 32
Rosina Burns 7
Sarah A. Burns 33





1891
Name: Mary E Burn
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Cook
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiff

Civil Parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 21b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary E Burn 21
Violet Hilton 20
Agnes S Jeanes 29
Emma Jeanes 50
William Jeanes 61
Catherine Llewellyn 28
John C Moore 66
William Phillips 37
Alice Richards 15
Edmund Richards 35
John C Wichterman 24
Elizabeth A Williams 15





1891 her family

Name: Richard Burn
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A
Gender: Male
Where born: Torgway, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Canton
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 20 pembroke rd
Condition as to marriage: married
Education:
Employment status:
Occupation: Carpenter /joiner

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Burn 19
Eleanor Burn 12
Henry Burn 14
Herbert Burn 15
Richard Burn 42
Rosina Burn 17
Sarah A Burn 43 Exeter, Devon




1901
Name: Richard Burns
Age in 1901: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A
Gender: Male
Where born: Torquay, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Llandaff
Ecclesiastical parish: Gabalfa St Mark
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Llandaff
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Eleanor Burns 22
Richard Burns 52
Sarah A Burns 53
Eveline Gill 4 Granddaughter /Cardiff, Glamorgan


looks whos with her grandparents


June x

This is Martha in the 1881 with Hubby ( Fredericks dad)

Martha Gill
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Elias
Gender: Female
Where born: Shipton Gorge, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Shipton George
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address: Village
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bridport
Sub-registration district: Burton Bradstock
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elias Gill 71
Martha Gill 51
Mary Ann Gill 9
Selina Francis Gill 17


Elias Gill is a Stone mason

1881 for Frederick

Frederick Gill
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipton Gorge, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Bradpole
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address: Tucking Mill
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Dairyboy

Registration district: Bridport
Sub-registration district: Bridport
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Gill 12
John Gill 47
Susan Gill 49


Frederick is down as Servant so not sure if the other Gill's are related

On the same page in the 1901 census in Leyton Essex where Frederick and Mary GILL were found was a BURNS family.

Arthur BURNS 1872 Cardiff
Anne BURNS 1873 Abergavenny

1891 For frederick

Fredrick Giell
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipton George, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Bettws
Ecclesiastical parish: Bettws
Town: Llangynwyd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Ogmore
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Giell 20
Thomas Hennessy 32
David J Morgans 6
Ruth Morgans 42
Thomas Morgans 45

June..have we found it all

yes Julie got Grandaughter Gill with grandparents on 1901


June x

Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
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BURN Richard Tope Exeter 5b 185

Westaway Sarah Anne Exeter 5b 185


forgot marriage of her parents

June x

Just a question, how did you find all this so easily? what sites are you using?
a big thank you again xxx

Ancestry and freebdm.org

June x

Sharon

The census info is from Ancestry which you have to pay to subscribe, and for Births, Marriages & deaths though you can also use Ancestry, but i prefer

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Which is free

Thanks xxx

1851
Name: Sarah Westaway
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Crediton, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Exeter St George
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: St David
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Burk 15
Arthur Westaway 13
Elizabeth Westaway 49
James Westaway 8
John Westaway 15
Sarah Westaway 4
William Westaway 48
Elizabeth Wood 18




1861
Name: Sarah Westaway
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Crediton, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Exeter St David
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: St David
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Denslow 18
Charles Pearse 18
Henry Pearse 7
James Pearse 41
Jane Pearse 39
Jane Pearse 14
Thomas Pearse 9Mo
William Pearse 3
Sarah Westaway 15



June x

1851
Name: Richard Tope Burn
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard Tope
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Tormoham, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Tormoham
Town: Tor
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Torquay
ED, institution, or vessel: 5f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 166
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Burn 43
Richard Tope Burn 39
Richard Tope Burn 3




1861
Name: Richard S Burn image reads Richard t
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard T
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Tor Moham, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Tormoham
Town: Torquay
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Torquay
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 233
Household Members: Name Age
William Brimacombe 76
Mary Ann Burn 53
Richard S Burn 13
Richard T Burn 50 ag lab

Jemima Cork 35
Susanna Mangan 77
Frances M Neuner 3
Elizabeth Parker 74
Ann Perring 51
Erminia Sture 22
Johanna Sture 71
Eliza Wilcox 40
Samuel Wilcox 12

all lodgers




Name: Richard __Pe Burn / image reads Tope
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Newton Abbot
County: Devon
Volume: 10
Page: 180 (click




June x