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George Anderson 1879 or 1880 B/Green.

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Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 18:34

Hello
Can anyone help me find the right George.
From family info his death is 1948, age 68, the same year as his son.
His marriage is to Annie Gladden 9th May 1904. and his fathers name is George Anderson - job, both work as a Carman.
WW1 record dated 29th Sept 1914 stated him as 34 years and 193 days . (1879).
Census 1911 shows him to be 32 yrs (1879) born in Shoreditch but his marriage shows him to be 24 (1880).
The first birth certificate 1880 B/Green does have a father George and the second cert 1879 (vol 1, page 274) shows his father Henry. I feel that both are wrong and I don't know what to do as I have spent £20. already. I have been told that there was another Anderson family in the same area, none of his children are alive and no one knows where they lived before this date. i.e 1911, can any one give some idea on who or how I may find the right george.

patchem

patchem Report 23 Oct 2010 18:46

Have you tried to find him on the censuses, and have you found him working as a Carman?
I am guessing WW1 record would be most accurate, as no reason to lie at his age?

Where did he die?

Thanks

Gee

Gee Report 23 Oct 2010 18:47

Im not quite sure about your theory...

1891 England Census
about George Anderson
Name: George Anderson
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Anderson
Mother's name: Mary A Anderson
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Anderson 49
Mary A Anderson 42
Henry Anderson 19
Elizabeth Anderson 16
Susan Anderson 13
George Anderson 11
Emily Anderson 8
Marlan Anderson 6


Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 18:51

He died in Bethnal Green. Vol 5c page 167.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Oct 2010 18:53

This 1901 seems to fit the bill:

ANDERSON, George Head Married M 60 1841 Carman Shoreditch London
ANDERSON, Mary Ann Wife Married F 50 1851 Shoreditch London
ANDERSON, Harry Son Single M 29 1872 Carman Shoreditch London
ANDERSON, George Son Single M 21 1880 Carman Bethnal Grn London
ANDERSON, May Daughter F 13 1888 Bethnal Grn London
ANDERSON, Albert Son M 9 1892 Shoreditch London
ANDERSON, Emily Daughter Single F 18 1883 Housemaid (Domestic) Bethnal Grn London

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
268 Folio:
132 Page:
21

Registration District:
Shoreditch Sub District:
Shoreditch South Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Shoreditch St Michael

Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
62, Langbourne Buildings, Shoreditch County:
London

Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 18:54

Yes this is one that I found to, could this census just have the year 1880 wrong and he is actually 1879.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 23 Oct 2010 18:55

Christine.
You say the 1879 cert has father George ,can you give the other details from it please.
Mothers name/
Fathers occupation?
Address?
His exact date of birth.

Census were taken at different times and if his birthday were one side of the date then he would be 1880 on one and 1879 on another.
Same as on his marriage cert,depended when his birthday was..
And you are lucky he seems to know when and where he was born as many peoples birth years on marriage and census are YEARS out.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Oct 2010 18:56

Christine, at the time of census they gave their age, not the year they were born. The enumerator then estimated the year of birth. Depending on the date of the census and their actual birthday you can get the variation of a year or so.

Never take the census year of birth as 100% accurate.

Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 19:01

The marriage cert. shows George Anderson marries Annie Gladden his age is 24 (1880) job - Carman, address Bromley, father - George Anderson Carman.
date is the 9th May 1904.

Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 19:03

the cert. birth is george anderson, born 27th Sept 1879 B/Green, Father is Henry James Anderson, job, Druggists Warhouseman and mother Martha Whittaker.

Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 19:07

The other birth cert. shows george anderson 28th March 1880 B/Green, father George anderson, job - Coachman, his mother is Mary Ann Shipp.
I thought that if I counted back and worked out when he was born by the WW1 records then that would be right, but I can't find a George Anderson born 1879 under Shoreditch, Bethnal Green.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 23 Oct 2010 19:14

Not the 1879 birth then as it is all wrong,but the 1880 looks correct to me.
What the rest of you say?

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 23 Oct 2010 19:18

Agreed with the 1880, and it fits that 1901 census.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 23 Oct 2010 19:20

1901 taken 31st March

1911..taken on 2nd April

ANDERSON, George Head Married M 32 1879 Carman Shoreditch London
ANDERSON, Annie Wife Married
6 years F 27 1884 Shoreditch London
ANDERSON, Georgette Son M 5 1906 Poplar London
ANDERSON, Lilian S Daughter F 2 1909 Shoreditch London
GLADDEN, William Brother In Law M 15 1896 Van Guard Shoreditch London

Registration District:
Poplar Sub District:
Bromley Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Poplar Borough

Address:
53 Brabazon St Poplar E County:
London

Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 19:22

So do you all think the WW1 records are wrong, they ask for Height, Weight, Chest size, Hair colour so why didn't they just ask for his date of birth and not his age, this would be so simple.

Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 19:24

Yes this is right Georgette is george who died the same year as his dad and I knew Lilian.

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 23 Oct 2010 19:30

Can you put up his WW1 Arny number and regiment please?

Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 19:32

I hope this is the right number 37799

FannyByGaslight

FannyByGaslight Report 23 Oct 2010 19:37

Name: George Anderson
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Age at enlistment: 34
Birth Parish: Bethnal Green
Birth County: Middlesex
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 37799
Number of Images: 6

Yep.
Same bloke as on 1911.
Same wife and kids and job...

Christine

Christine Report 23 Oct 2010 19:40

Ok, so its 1880 not 1879, and I do have then the right george Anderson for 1880.