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she was born 1843 and married noah mandry . would like to know who her parents were

When and where did she marry and what is her surname?

Do you have the marriage certificate as that should have her father's name.

Christine

maiden name was francis she was born in marylebone havent got a date when she married .not got a certificate or crystal ball.thanks

well I've had a dig around - no sign of a Noah Mandry - quite a few Elizabeth Mandry's but none married to a Noah

1851 census
Name: Elizabeth Francis
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard b.1811 Ealing Hampshire
Mother's Name: Keziah b. 1821 Thakous Sussex
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Francis 40
Keziah Francis 30
Elizabeth Francis 4


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Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1491; Folio: 653; Page: 7; GSU roll: 87819-87820.

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1841 Wales census
Name: Noah Mandry
Age: 11 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Margam
Hundred: Newcastle
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Neath
Sub registration district: Margam
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Name
Woah Mandry 40
Mary Mandry 38
William Mandry 16
Morgan Mandry 13
John Mandry 10
Catharine Mandry 8
David Mandry 5
Mary Mandry 3
Noah Mandry 11 Mo



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1422; Book: 17; Civil Parish: Margam; County: Glamorgan; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 7; Page: 1; Line: 22; GSU roll: 464331.

Where have you got the details from that she married Noah Mandry?

Do you have her on the census after her marriage,if so where was she living?

Did they have children?

There is no marriage showing on Free BMD for Noah Mandry.

Christine

i got the details of another link with my tree.they had 6 children and were living in margam wales.

Can you post some of the children's names and birth years as I can't find them on any census to try to find their marriage.

Christine

i do know that the mandry family changed there surname to mainwaring
at some time.the children were george 1883 naomi 1879 mary 1871 charles 1876 john 1868 and emily 1869.

i do know that the mandry family changed there surname to mainwaring
at some time.the children were george 1883 naomi 1879 mary 1871 charles 1876 john 1868 and emily 1869.

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Here's the 1881 with the change of name. This is the right spelling by the way.



1881 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Fellainwaring
Name: Elizabeth Fellainwaring
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Maryleborne, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Margam
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: Cwn Brombil No 7
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Coal Miners Wife

Registration district: Neath
Sub registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Fellainwaring 38
John Davy Fellainwaring 15
Emily Fellainwaring 11
Mary Fellainwaring 9

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1891 Wales Census
about Noah Mainwaring
Name: Noah Mainwaring
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Margam, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Margam
Ecclesiastical parish: Margam
Town: Margam
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Neath
Sub registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Noah Mainwaring 50
Fanny Mainwaring 51 b Marylebone
John Mainwaring 23 b Fringston Vale, Surrey
George Mainwaring 8 b Margam



1901 Wales Census
about Frances Mainwering
Name: Frances Mainwering
Age in 1901: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Noah
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Margam
Ecclesiastical parish: Margam St Mary
Town: Margam
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Neath
Sub registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 178
Household Members:
Name Age
Noah Mainwering 60
Frances Mainwering 62
John Davey Mainwering 33
George Fredrick Mainwering 18

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Looks like it was Noah's parents who changed the family name. I wonder why that was?


1851 Wales Census
about Noah Manwarin
Name: Noah Manwarin
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Noah
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Margam, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Margam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Disability: View Image
Registration district: Neath
Sub registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Household Members:
Name Age
Noah Manwarin 41
Mary Manwarin 50
John Manwarin 20
Catherine Manwarin 15
Noah Manwarin 10
Evan Manwarin 7
Thomas Manwarin 5
David Manwarin 15

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1861 Wales Census
about Noah Manwaring
Name: Noah Manwaring
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Noah
Mother's Name: May
Gender: Male
Where born: Margam, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Margam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Neath
Sub registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Noah Manwaring 59
May Manwaring 60
Noah Manwaring 20
Evan Manwaring 17
Thos Manwaring 15
Maria Manwaring 34 daughter in law
Morgan Manwaring 8 grandson
Ann Manwaring 6 granddaughter
John Manwaring 3 grandson

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1871 Wales Census
about Noah Mainwaring
Name: Noah Mainwaring
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Margam, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Margam
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Brombill and Margam
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: Neath
Sub registration district: Margam
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Noah Mainwaring 30
Fanny Mainwaring 29
John Davey Mainwaring 3
Emily Tate Mainwaring 1

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This looks like it could be his marriage. It explains why her name shifts from Elizabeth to Frances/Fanny and also explains John's middle name.




View Record Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
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>>Elizabeth Frances Davey 1867 Neath (1837-1970) Breconshire, Glamorgan
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David Elias 1867 Neath (1837-1970) Breconshire, Glamorgan
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>>Noah Mainwaring 1867 Neath (1837-1970) Breconshire, Glamorgan
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Mary Williams 1867 Neath (1837-1970) Breconshire, Glamorgan


Liz

Possible for her. As you can see, she has left the family home by 1871.


1851 England Census
about Elizabeth Davey
Name: Elizabeth Davey
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Margaret A
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 27 Compton street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 251
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Davey 47 ? cheesemonger, b Chittlehampton, Devon
Margaret A Davey 49 b Bermondsey, Surrey
Richard Davey 16 b St James, Middlesex
Elizabeth Davey 11
John Davey 9 b Marylebone
Thomas Davey 6 b Marylebone
Mary Davey 54 visitor, b Chittlehampton

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1841 England Census
about Richard Davey
Name: Richard Davey
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: Earl Street East no 53

Occupation:

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Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub registration district: Christchurch
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Davey 35 omnibus conductor, not born in county
Margeret Davey 36 n b i c
Richard Davey 7 born in county
Mary Davey 5 b i c



Elizabeth Davey, 2, is on the next page and has been incuded with another family.




1861 census - household transcription

DAVEY, Richard Head Married M 56 1805 Warehouseman In Leather Department
Chittlehampton
Devonshire VIEW
DAVEY, Margaret Wife Married F 58 1803
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
DAVEY, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 21 1840 Paper Bagmaker
St Marylebone
Middlesex VIEW
DAVEY, Thomas Son Unmarried M 16 1845 Errand Boy
St Marylebone
Middlesex VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
322 Folio:
36 Page:
35

Registration District:
Bermondsey Sub District:
2 St Mary Magdalen EnumerationDistrict:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary Magdalen

Civil Parish:
Bermondsey Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Fort Street, Bermondsey County:
London, Surrey



1871 census transcription details for: Old Kent Rd, St Giles Camberwell
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 740 Folio: 127 Page: 54

Reg. District: Camberwell Sub District: St George
Enum. District: 24 Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: St Giles Camberwell City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Old Kent Rd, St Giles Camberwell
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
DAVEY, Richard Head M 67 1804 tobacconist Devon
DAVEY, Margarett A Wife F 69 1802 Surrey
DAVEY, Mary Daughter F 36 1835 Middlesex


Her dad seems to have had quite a variety of jobs!

Her birth. You really would have to get the marriage certificate to verify father's name and occupation.

Name: Elizabeth Davey
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Marylebone (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1
Page: 144 (click to see others on page)

Liz

Well done Liz.

No wonder I couldn't find them, not only did they change their surname, Elizabeth's maiden name wasn't Francis.

If only all the information had been posted at the start of the thread, it would have saved a lot of time.

Christine

We got there in the end Christine, though I must admit if we'd known about the change of name earlier, we'd have solved this a lot sooner. Still I had a lot of fun solving the mystery. At least I hope I have.....haven't heard back from Sandra yet.


Liz