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LizRees
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13 Dec 2009 21:20 |
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New addition to original thread: I'm adding a general question about bigamy and would welcome people's thoughts ...
It's related to my original thread, which I have kept here, because of an event in the life - well, death, really - of Lucy Ann Clayton, nee Erixon.
I'm puzzled by the fact that Lucy's death is recorded in the quarter after her husband William R H Clayton married for a second time.
Records are from FreeBMD and I have double-checked the original images.
Wm's marriage: Jun Q 1873, Poplar Lucy's death: Dec Q 1873, Stepney.
Was she really lying in a hospital or workhouse when he remarried?
Was William a bigamist, or is there another explanation?
On Ancestry there are some criminal records for a Wm. Clayton of Middx. in particular 11 Aug 1873.
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My original thread started 13 December begins here. Thank you for taking the trouble to read this far.
Hi everyone, I've made quite good progress with tracing a few members of the Erixon (sometimes Erixson) family, who lived mainly in the Shoreditch/Tower Hamlets/St. George East areas.
Now I'm stuck, and would welcome any help or suggestions. It's an unusual name, and I would love to know its origin - wondered perhaps whether the original Erixon arrived on a timber ship from Sweden, or similar.
In particular I'm seeking any info on Christopher and Margaret Erixon, parents of Lucy Ann - they were probably born around 1800 but I can't find them in any census - there's a possible death date for Christopher in 1848 (FreeBMD) altho' it doesn't give his age.
This is what I have already:
Lucy Ann Erixon born Shoreditch c. 1826
1841 census: a Louisa Erixon, servant in Tower of London (can't find a Louisa in later census, so hope this is really Lucy Ann);
1851 census: Lucy Erixon servant in Dock St. Whitechapel;
06 Sep 1852, St. Leonard's Shoreditch: Lucy Ann Erixon married William Robert Heath Clayton (b. 1824)
1861 & 1871 census when she is married to William, with children;
1873, Dec Q : Likely death for Lucy Ann Clayton, age 47, Stepney - although I'm intrigued by William's second marriage in June Q 1873 (i.e. before Lucy died ... have double-checked originals and anyway there aren't many Wm. Robt. H. Claytons around).
Other Erixons: I don't have full access to Ancestry parish records, but can see Marriage banns for William & Lucy with a father, Christopher Erixon. Christopher also appears in baptism record with wife Margaret for son Joseph Wm. Erixon, b. abt 1822, so I'm guessing this is Lucy's brother. I found his record on Docklands website, so perhaps he was born south of the river?
Just to make it really complicated, Joseph marries a Lucy Papworth 1845 and they have a baby Lucy 1846. Joseph then dies Sep Q 1858 and his widow Lucy Erixon marries Edward Beech in 1859.
If you have read all of this, thank you! I look forward to any info you can offer. Best wishes, Liz
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Andrew
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13 Dec 2009 21:24 |
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London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Joseph William Erixon Name: Joseph William Erixon Record Type: Baptism Date: 25 Aug 1822 Father's Name: Christopher Erixon Mother's Name: Margaret Erixon Parish: Saint John Of Wapping Borough: Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex Andy
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Andrew
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13 Dec 2009 21:27 |
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Possible for Lucy?
There is a date against this record of 16 July 1827, possibly her birth??
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Lucy Ann Arixon Name: Lucy Ann Arixon Record Type: Baptism Date: 16 Sep 1835 Father's Name: Christopher Arixon Mother's Name: Margaret Arixon Parish: Saint Mary, Whitechapel Borough: Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex Andy
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LizRees
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13 Dec 2009 21:28 |
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Brilliant! Thanks Andy for swift response.
Liz
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Andrew
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13 Dec 2009 21:33 |
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Possibly related?
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Eleanor Latitia Arixon Name: Eleanor Latitia Arixon Record Type: Baptism Date: 5 Nov 1820 Father's Name: Christopher Arixon Mother's Name: Margaret Arixon Parish: Saint John Of Wapping Borough: Tower Hamlets County: Middlesex Andy
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SharoninGreece
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13 Dec 2009 21:44 |
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Do you have this record?
Name: Cristopher Erixon Spouse Name: Jane Wilkes Record Type: Banns Event Date: 18 Oct 1829 Parish: Christ Church, Spitalfields County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets
Could he have remarired?
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LizRees
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13 Dec 2009 21:46 |
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Oooh ... Arixon is a variation I hadn't thought of searching before.
Just tried a search on Ancestry, for census matches, but nothing yet.
Thank you so much for finding these details, Andy.
Liz.
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Andrew
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13 Dec 2009 21:47 |
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Possibles for marriage maybe??
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Christopher Araxan Name: Christopher Araxan Spouse Name: Margaret Savall Record Type: Banns Event Date: 4 May 1817 Parish: Saint Dunstan And All Saints County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Christopher Arajaw Name: Christopher Arajaw Spouse Name: Margaret Savall Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 22 Sep 1817 Parish: Saint Dunstan And All Saints County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets
Andy
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Andrew
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13 Dec 2009 21:49 |
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The originals of all these records are available on Ancestry. If you don't have access PM your Email I I'll send them, if you want them
Andy
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LizRees
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13 Dec 2009 21:51 |
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Hi Sharon,
Thanks for this new record. No, I hadn't seen it. I should think it's quite possible he remarried.
I believe I have seen other spellings for Christopher such as Kristopher, in parish records, but overlooked them because the spouse's name didn't look right.
I've probably been too blinkered!
Many thanks Liz
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LizRees
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30 Dec 2009 11:00 |
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I'd be so grateful if a kind researcher could do the following lookup on Ancestry for me:
Joseph ERIXON England & Wales, Criminal Registers 1791-1892: Joseph Erixon 8 Jan 1883 - Kent, England
The Joseph Erixon I'm interested in was born 1850 in St. Geo. East, Middx.
1851 Living with parents Joseph & Lucy in Tarling St. St. Geo East; 1861 Living with mother Lucy & stepfather Edward Beech 1871 Can't find him on census 1881 Possibly Joseph Erricson living at 60 Wentworth Street (part of Petticoat Lane); I believe this was the heart of the overcrowded tenements in the Jewish quarter of Docklands; 1891 census - can't find him, if census was in April he was still living?? 1891 - Sept. possible death in Poplar, London.
Thank you so much, Liz
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Andrew
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30 Dec 2009 12:29 |
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Here is the criminal record
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about Joseph Erixon Name: Joseph Erixon Date of Trial: 8 Jan 1883 Trial Year: 1883 Location of Trial: Kent, England Sentence: Acquittal Crime: See Image Date of Execution or Release: See Image Charged with possessing counterfiet coin Trial was at Central Criminal Court - the Old Bailey
Andy
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LizRees
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30 Dec 2009 12:51 |
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Andy,
Thanks for your help once again.
Seems a bit harsh to be tried at the Old Baily for that. Amazing (and scary!).
Thank you,
Liz
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Andrew
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30 Dec 2009 13:05 |
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Liz
Have just checked out
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/forms/formMain.jsp
Put in Joseph Erixon's name and have a read of the trial transcript
Andy
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LizRees
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30 Dec 2009 13:18 |
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Wow, that makes interesting reading. 18 months' hard labour for those found guilty.
Also found on this page from the 'Erixon' search was Christopher Erixon, (probably Joseph's grandfather) who had his drawers pinched!
Excellent stuff.
Thank you so much Andy.
Liz
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LizRees
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31 Dec 2009 00:16 |
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Nudge because I've edited the thread ...
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chrissiex
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31 Dec 2009 04:33 |
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Without trying to figure out what the rest of the thread is about, lol, the only way you can find out whether the widower married before the first wife's death is to get the actual certificates since the date of registration does not reflect the date of the event.
Back in 1873 people were not likely asked for a death certificate to prove they were widowed when they married.
You have
Deaths Dec 1873 Clayton Lucy Ann 47 Stepney 1c 376
Marriages Jun 1873 Clayton William Robert H Poplar 1c 1245
which is actually two quarters apart and that would make a very late registration for Lucy if she died in Jun Q but it is possible. You should really get the certificates to find out for sure. His marriage certificate should also specify his status at the time at least as he reported it.
On the other hand, people who were already married can and did marry again without waiting to be widowed, lol.
In case you aren't familiar this is where to order certificates
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/faqs-order-online.asp
with the 'GRO reference' information from FreeBMD above.
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chrissiex
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31 Dec 2009 04:41 |
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Also hopefully someone reading can access the criminal records at Ancestry for you to give you the offence for the record you asked about, your opening post is now a little confusing so I'll just repeat it here for you
'On Ancestry there are some criminal records for a Wm. Clayton of Middx. in particular 11 Aug 1873.'
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Andrew
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31 Dec 2009 08:38 |
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William and a Caroline Johnston were aquitted of Indecent Exposure.
Andy
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LizRees
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31 Dec 2009 10:12 |
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Bruce,
This is all great advice - thank you so much for your thoughts. Will order the certificates to find out for sure what was going on.
Andy, thank you for looking up the criminal record ... how awful! The mind boggles as to how they could be charged with indecent exposure and then acquitted. Either they were being indecent or they weren't ... best not go there! I must have a look for the court transcript.
Finally, my apologies that the thread has become confusing. I gave a lot of thought to how best to edit and add to the thread, or whether to start a new one. Seems I made it worse. Liz
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