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Could anyone help please. I have my grandfathers birth certificate which gives his mother's name as Ellen French formerly Ramsey.
he was born in July 1898 at 2 Lisle Street Newcastle upon Tyne and he was registered from 24 Villa Place in September. Hiis father is listed as James French but I can't seem to find any of them in the 1901 census or a marriage record. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Jean

For info

Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
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FRENCH James Newcastle T. 10b 98

Yes that's him. I have his first world war records which tie up with it .

Thanks

Jean

Is this his War Record?

Name: James French
Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1897
Residence : 40 Swelfth Street, Horden
Regiment Name: Machine Gun Corps
Regiment Number: 186280
Document Year: 1915
Number of Images: 38

here in 81
1881 England Census
about James French
Name: James French
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Allendale, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 5 Holly Terr
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Cashier & Bookkeeper In Glass Bottle House (Clerk)

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James French 51
Ellen French 43
John H. French 7
Annie Charlton 19


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1891 England Census
about James French
Name: James French
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Allendale, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James French 60
Ellen French 51
John Henry French 17

Edit; Father Commission Agent

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There's a chap missing from this list ...

Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)
Craik Sarah Jane Newcastle T. 10b 165 Scan available - click to view
Keys William Henry Newcastle T. 10b 165 Scan available - click to view
Learmouth Francis Newcastle T. 10b 165 Scan available - click to view
Ramsey Ellen Newcastle T. 10b 165 Scan available - click to view
Senior Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 165 Scan available - click to view

Is it more likely that James and Ellen were his grandparents. Ellen seems a little old to have child in 1898?

Jill

His father is listed as Sailer Merchant Service

Thanks

Jean

could this be Ellen in 1911 with James (Jemmie) ?

HOUSEHOLD FRENCH ELLEN F 1884 27 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD FRENCH NORMAN M 1910 6 MONTHS Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD FRENCH JEMMIE M 1899 12 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland

Now I did see a little French as a border on his own..somewhere!

1901 England Census
about John H French
Name: John H French
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Scetswood, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishopwearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 264
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen French 59
John H French 27


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Thanks so much

I think the 1911 may be them I have just looked at the actual sheet and the boys name is actually Jimmie. I had no idea he ever had a brother but he called one of his sons Norman.

Thanks again

Jean

Hi Choccy

The army record I found only lists his next of kin as Ellen French formerly Ramsey but doesn't mention Henry. It gives his discharge address as 6 Northcote Avenue which is where he lived when he married my Nan there are several James Fenches on the Army records. Is that a different one ? the Ramsey coincidence does seem odd. Was it under Pension Records ?

Thanks


Jean

He was a private and his army number on discharge was 597010. Though I have a medal record which also gives 40943.

Thanks

Jean

Jean

am going to delete my ramblings - they are obviously wrong!

I'm not finding the records you mention though.

Hi Choccy

I'm glad I printed them out because I cant find them now either ! It is definitely him though as there is loads of stuff about his squint !

Thanks very much

Jean

I found them on Ancestry eventually Jean. Definitely lots of info about his

squint! Doesn't help though does it!

Jean, how long does it say Ellen has been married on the 1911 census?

The women Ellen on the 1911 census cant be the Ellen who was married to James ie James/Jemmie/Jimmie's mom as she's far too young?


She is on the 1901 age 59 with her son John H. So Jemmie or whatever he was called is still not around?

A mystery!!

Ginny
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Hi Choccy

It is left blank and where it should say married/single/widowed there is a scrawl that appears to start with an S. So she may have just called herself French.
Also the son Norman aged 6 months doesn't seem to come up on Birth registers either.

She signed my Grandfathers birth cert with a X and , looking at the 1911 form, I suspect her 12 year old son filled it in.

Jean