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Edward Chetland born in Wick in Scotland c1863 married Sarah Stevens (born in Amersham c1858) in London in 1882.

Florence was born in 1883, May in 1887 and Frederick in 1890 (all in London).

Edward was a bootmaker by trade.

I can find them in both the 1901 and the 1911 census returns, but cannot find any trace of them in the 1891 census – and yes I have tried all the obvious (to me anyway) mistranscriptions

I also have no trace of Edward prior to his marriage.

Any help would be gratefully received.

even reports of 'failure' would be helpful

Marriages Dec 1882 (>99%)
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Chatland Edward Fulham 1a 471
Guntripp Sarah Ann Fulham 1a 471
Lee James Fulham 1a 471
Stevens Sarah Fulham 1a 471



Do you have the marriage cert for the name & occupation of his father




Name: Florence Chetland
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 20 May 1883
Father's Name: Edward Chetland
Mother's Name: Sarah Chetland
Parish: St Paul, Brentford
Borough: Hounslow
County: Middlesex


Name: Annie Chetland
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 13 Jun 1886
Father's Name: Edward Chetland
Mother's Name: Sarah Chetland
Parish: St Andrew, West Kensington
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
County: Middlesex


Name: Edward Chetland
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Oct 1889 born 2 Sept 1889
Father's Name: Edward Chetland
Mother's Name: Sarah Chetland
Parish: St Mary, Battersea
Borough: Wandsworth
County: London


Name: May Lizzie Chetland
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Oct 1889 born 4th May 1887
Father's Name: Edward Chetland
Mother's Name: Sarah Chetland
Parish: St Mary, Battersea
Borough: Wandsworth
County: London


Name: Sidney Chetland
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Oct 1899
Father's Name: Edward Chetland
Mother's Name: Sarah Chetland
Parish: St Peter, Battersea
Borough: Wandsworth
County: Middlesex



Edward and May - address given as 134 High St. Edward a boot salesman

yes I already knew about the marriage details (and the certificate should be 'in the post' as we speak)

but I do not think that knowing the name and occupation of his father will help find them in 1891, although it might help place him pre-marriage (but I cannot find any Chetlands in Scotland - father or son)

I have got to the point of wondering if he really was born a Chetland or if there has been a name change between birth and marriage - which might of course show up on the certificate


I also know about the othe two children, but neither made it to 1891 unfortunately

to put the search in context, Florence was my grandmother

You have that info in front of you but members who try to help need to find that info to try and help you

Obviously not a success then

my original posting includes all the information that could be helpful in finding the family in 1891 - i deliberately left out children who were no longer alive and would not be on the census as they obviously would not appear on the census

Not sure where this could go, but found this for 1871. Most children seem to have middle name beginning 'C' - could this be relevant, maybe Chetland .....?


1871 England Census
Name: Edward C Janes (Jones I think on original)
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William C
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Wick, Scotland
Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Kennington First
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
William C Janes 42 Chelsea Pensioner, Grocer born Warwick St Mary
Martha Janes 32 born Clonmel, Ireland
William C Janes 12 born Wick
Anne D Janes 9 born Burntsiland(?), Scotland
Edward C Janes 7 born Wick
Eliza C Janes 4 born Stromness, Orkney
Martha C Janes 2 born Stromness, Orkney
Doretha Egan 24 (sister in law, born Clonmel, Ireland)




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 670; Folio: 4; Page: 2; GSU roll: 823327.

BUT how am I or another member supposed to know that

They might have been alive at the end of 1891 but not alive in 1901

Give up

thx choccy - that certainly seems to be a line worth pursuing

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Sarah Stevens
Name: Sarah Stevens
Spouse Name: Edward Chatland
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Oct 1882
Parish: St Mary, Battersea
County: London
Borough: Wandsworth

17 Inworth Place.

glitter babe

if they had been alive in 1891 then I would have included them in my original post

Way to go Choccy!! Well done!!


EDWARD CHETTLAND JONES Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 24 JUN 1864 Wick, Caithness, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM CHETLAND JONES Family
Mother: MARTHA EGAN



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ANNE DOROTHEA JONES Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 04 JUL 1861 Burntisland, Fife, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM JONES Family
Mother: MARTHA EAGN



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ELIZA CHETLAND JONES Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 14 NOV 1866 Stromness, Orkney, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM C. JONES Family
Mother: MARTHA EGAN

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MARTHA CHETLAND JONES Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 18 JAN 1869 Stromness, Orkney, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM C. JONES Family
Mother: MARTHA EGIN


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Liz

oh, wow, well done you !

on a roll now !


1881 England Census
Name: Edward Jones
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 28 Colestown St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Sergeant (...)

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Jones 50
Annie Jones 19
Edward Jones 18
Eliza Jones 14
Martha Jones 12




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 639; Folio: 132; Page: 49; GSU roll: 1341147.

now all you have to do is find him in 1891!!!!

Well done to the folk involved in finding that tricky birth record !

Good bit of lateral thinking.

...and plenty for me to follow up (tomorrow)

1861


1861 Scotland Census
about William Jones
Name: William Jones
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 411
Registration district: Burntisland
Civil parish: Burntisland
County: Fife
Address: Kirkton
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 117
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1861_53
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 32
Martha Jones 23
William Jones 2
Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this

see you in the morning :-)