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Nancy Ashton appears on 1841 census in Preston with daughter Isabella. Nancy (Ann) then marries Joseph Whalley in 1845. Her father is named as Peter. How do I go about finding out who her mother was?

For background information:
1841 England Census
Isabella Ashton Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Gender: Female Where born: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Hundred: Amounderness County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston
Thos Thompson 60 local
Nancy Ashton 30 local
Isabella Ashton 5
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 499; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Preston; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 36; Folio: 7; Page: 9; Line: 13; GSU roll: 306888.

Do you know where they are in 1851, for better age and birthplace information?
Thanks

To find out someone's mother's name, if one knows their year of birth, and birthplace, to a couple of years, and to a rough area, one puts the information in IGI, including father's name as a bonus, and out pops a suitable candidate.

Putting Isabella's name in gives only:
ISABELLA ASHTON
Christening: 01 APR 1833 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: PETER ASHTON Mother: JANE P020273

which does give Peter as a father, so is Nancy Isabella's sister, not her Mother?

Now entering P020273 in the batch number, entering surname ashton, and father Peter, gives 3 children, one of whom is this:
ANN ASHTON
Christening: 01 DEC 1829 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: PETER ASHTON Mother: JANE P020273

Just that Preston is not Liverpool, and the age for Nancy/Ann is way out.

So, starting new entry in igi for Nancy Ashton, birth 1811 (from 1841 census) +/- 10 years, with father Peter, gives several other possibilities, none actually Preston.

If you can find her in 1851 you will have better idea of area and birthdate.

Tree on ancestry says Nancy was Nancy Thomson so is that her dad she is with on 1841 census?

Maryb

No, Ann was not Thompson. Nor was she Isabella's sister.
I have her marriage cert to Joseph Whalley in 1845. It states her name as Ann Ashton - spinster, aged 34. Charwoman of Back Mill St. Preston. Her father is named as Peter Ashton - Labourer.
The marriage was in a Catholic church so I assume she was christened in an R.C. church and there are very few R.C. records covered by the IGI.

I don't have access to 1851 census. Could anyone check for me please?

If this is them in 1861:
1861 England Census
Joseph Whalley
Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Preston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Household schedule number: 127
Joseph Whalley 50
Ann Whalley 52
Robert Whalley 14
Peter Whalley 11
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3136; Folio: 99; Page: 25; GSU roll: 543085.

Peter and mother Ann together in 1851, (still looking for Robert and father Joseph):
1851 England Census
Peter Whalley Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Occupation: cahrwoman Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 2ff
Household schedule number: 217
Robert Whitehead 48
Betty Whitehead 46
Margaret Whitehead 15
Jane Whitehead 12
Mary Ann Whitehead 9
Betsy Whitehead 4
Ann Whalley 42
Peter Whalley 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2267; Folio: 126; Page: 66; GSU roll: 87292.

In the 1871 census there is John Ashton, brother in law age 60 unmarried staying with them. So, correct family.
1871 England Census
Joseph Whalley Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1810 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Preston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Household schedule number: 155
Joseph Whalley 61
Ann Whalley 66
Peter Whalley 21
John Ashton 60
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4209; Folio: 187; Page: 28; GSU roll: 846954.

still no luck for Joseph and Robert in 1851

Really appreciate all the info.
Is Ann's birthplace given as Preston or is that referring to Joseph as head of household?
Also Ann's age seems to have suddenly leapt a few years in 1871.
The discovery of John Ashton, who must be Ann's brother is something to go on.
I just need their mother !!

Ann is fron Preston in 1871, and Moons Mill in 1861
Wikipedia:
Higher Walton is a village in South Ribble, Lancashire, ........
The village was formerly called Moon's Mill,
Sorry, should have put that in.

Extra info.:
(Higher Walton, formerly called Moon's Mill, is a village situated a mile east from Walton-le-Dale on the Blackburn road. There are two cotton factories, also yarn and piece dyeing works. Darwen Bank, standing in its own grounds of 70 acres, occupies an eminence near the village from which extensive and beautiful views of the neighbourhood may be obtained. Prospect Hill, the residence of Mr. William Gent, occupies a similar position.)

And ages often vary.

If you go to google maps and street view you can try and look and guess what sort of house they might have lived in, or which church............

Wow, the things you learn !.
Lived in Preston all my life and never heard of Moons Mill.
Great information. It helps me pinpoint an area in which to look for parish baptism records.
Thanks a lot.

Connection maybe.

1861 John Ashton born 1811 Walton le Dale cotton weaver.
Sarah Ashton stepmother born Scotland 1788.
Jane Ashton half sister born Preston 1827

Address 64,Senior st Preston District 34 image 15.

Just thought with the mention of walton Le dale being near moons Mill it might be relevant.

Maryb

Thanks for that .. I will certainly make a note of it.
If that is Ann's brother it still doesn't shed any light on who their mother was because it mentions a stepmother. ... But then again, could just be John's stepmother, not necessarily Ann's.

And John in 1851(difficult to read original):
1851 England Census
John Ashton Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Walton-Le-Dale, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Preston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston ED, institution, or vessel: 2v ousehold schedule number: 17
John Ashton 40 interlocker cotton
Sarah Ashton 55 stepmother Penwortham, Lancashire NOT SCOTLAND
Jane Ashton 24 sister power loom weaver cotton
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2266; Folio: 577; Page: 6; GSU roll: 87291.

What about this Peter Ashton christened 16/1/1780 Farnworth Lancs to William and Alice married ANN Robinson 22/4/1799? he died 1835 so that fits with him not being on 1841 census.They had daughter Ann christened 30/8/1801and Son John 30/7/1797
Alice 12/5/1799
Hamlet 14/11/1803
Peter 4/5/1806
All in great Sankey Warrington

Higher Walton formerley Moons Mill is stated as being Warrington Cheshire.

Maryb

If that's him it's a real breakthrough.
I was led down the wrong path because on Nancy's marriage certifictae 1845 it doesn't say that Father Peter is deceased.
Really impressed at all this help.

If you got to www.rootsweb.com put Peter in search then born 1780 it gives about three trees on him,but it doesn't give the names of his children.

But there was Hamlet Ashtons born in Farnworth which would connect to him having hamlet 1803 in great sankey.

Maryb

Looks promising but Ann's dob is about 10 years too early. All other info point to her being born c1811

How about this family in 1841:
1841 England Census
Peter Aston Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1781 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Preston Hundred: Amounderness County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Singleton Row Occupation: ag lab Registration district: Preston Sub-registration district: Preston
Peter Aston 60 ag lab all local
Sarah Aston 45
John Aston 20 cotton mill
Jane Aston 15
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 499; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Preston; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 37; Folio: 16; Page: 30; Line: 17; GSU roll: 306888
This can then give Sarah as a wife to Peter, he dies in e.g.
Deaths Dec 1847
Ashton Peter Preston 21 485
Jane Aston is correct age for being a step-sister in later censuses, it is just John Aston's age that is 10 years out, and if Nancy has an illegitimate child she does not have to be with the family.

Could well be. Must admit I hadn't searched Aston.
This would explain why Peter isn't described as deceased in 1845.
However, still doesn't give me Nancy's mother,assuming Sarah is the same Sarah described as Stepmother in later censuses.