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Elizabeth Wild Batchelor was born 1830-32 somewhere in England. By the 1841 census she was living with Henry Blatch and his wife Sarah nee Batchelor. Further back, the name Wild comes into the Blatch side. In 1847 the whole family emmigrated to New Zealand. Can anyone find who Elizabeths parents were and why she wasnt living with them? Thanks so much.
Dorothy

An essential piece of information is Where.


Name: Elizabeth Batchelor
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Female

Civil parish: Esher
Hundred: Elmbridge (Second Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Registration district: Kingston

Henry Blatch 30 not born in county
Sarah Blatch 30 born in county
Thomas Blatch 7 not "
Alfred Blatch 5 born in county
Ann Blatch 4 born in county
Elizabeth Batchelor 9 not "


Could you explain where the name Wild comes into the Blatch side please? Does it seem that that connection explains the relationship?

Also what record you have with her name as Elizabeth Wild Batchelor.

Are you familiar with the other Batchelors in Esher in 1841?

Richd Batchelor 29 corn dealer
Jane Batchelor 24
Richard Batchelor 7 Mo

Mary Pitcher 30
John Souter 60
Maria Souter 40
Eliza Batchelor 15


Did Elizabeth Batchelor marry and did she name her father when she did or is he named on her death record in NZ?

In the International Genealogy Index at
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp

HENRY FREDERICK BLATCH
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH MERCY BATCHELOR
Marriage: 31 MAR 1833 Isleworth, London, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: M042261


Could Elizabeth have been Sarah's child before marriage? If so it is possible that her father's surname was Wild.


Also an unverified submitted record for the Blatch son

THOMAS HENRY JOSEPH BLATCH
Birth: About 1833 , , England
Death: 01 NOV 1925 West Taieri, Otago, New Zealand
Burial: NOV 1925 West Taieri, Otago, New Zealand

Parents:
Father: HENRY FREDERICK BLATCH
Mother: SARAH MERCY BATCHELOR


There are also proper extracted records of baptisms of children of Henry Frederick Blatch and Sarah Mercy born in Thames Ditton and Esher, Surrey, which you can find if you search for baptisms 1840 +/- 10 years father Henry Blatch and mother Sarah.

One submitted birth record for Thomas Blatch has him born in Thames. There are several apparently orphaned young Batchelors in the union workhouse in Kingston upon Thames, Surrey, in 1841.

Harriet Batchelor abt 1830
Susan Batchelor abt 1832
Herbert Batchelor abt 1834


Batchelor, Any Event, 1829 - 1839, British Isles
Father: Edward , Mother: Susan
(she was Susan Banham, they married 1825 Walton on Thames)
Batch Number: C069713

1. SUSAN BACHELOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 FEB 1832 Esher, Surrey, England
2. HERBERT BACHELOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 FEB 1834 Esher, Surrey, England
3. HARRIET BATCHELOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 SEP 1829 Esher, Surrey, England
(also earlier births to same parents)

but apparently no Elizabeth so they seem probably unrelated but it can be worth it to explore possibilities like these.

Henry Frederick Blatch was the son of Thomas William Blatch and Ann Caroline Wild.
The name Elizabeth Wild Batchelor is on the list of immigrants who travelled on the 'John Wickliffe'to Port Chalmers, New Zealand in 1847/8. Elizabeth travelled seperate from the Blatch family, but at the same time.
It has been suggested that Sarah b1802 was either Elizabeths sister, or mother. I dont think this is likely, as Elizabeth married William Monson in 1849, and their daughter, Ellen Maria Martha Mary Ann Monson, married Alfred Frederick Blatch, who was the son of Henry and Sarah.
Hope this makes sense. I really want to sort this out, as Alfred and Ellen were my g grandparents.
Dorothy

Sorry, forgot, NZ marriage certificates that far back dont have the parents names on.
Dorothy

Sorry but I don't know who Sarah born 1802 was. My suggestion was that Sarah Mercy Batchelor Blatch who was 30 in 1841 was the mother of Elizabeth before her marriage to Henry Blatch.

Elizabeth's daughter married the son of Sarah Batchelor and Henry Blatch so I see why that possibility seems unlikely, and of course that information would have been useful to begin with.

Have you searched for and/or found baptisms and marriages for all the various people in the IGI? For example

ANN WILD
Marriages:
Spouse: THOS. W. BLATCH
Marriage: 01 MAR 1801 Saint Bride Fleet St, London, London, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: M022421


If you search within the batch once you have found something like that, for instance for other Wild or Batchelor or Blatch marriages in batch M022421, you might find connections worth investigating.

Is there any sign of a John Wild c1831 in any related record?

Name: John Wild
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
(not born in county)
Civil parish: Esher
Hundred: Elmbridge (Second Division)
County/Island: Surrey

The head of household is a clergyman & schoolmaster so it could be a poor relief institution or a private school.

Could Elizabeth have been born a Wild and 'adopted' by Henry Blatch, a relation on his Wild side, when she was perhaps orphaned? I have had no luck finding that John Wild's birth or finding him for certain in later censuses. It would be interesting to know who his parents were.

I,m seriously thinking Elizabeth was probably born a Wild, and adopted, possibly by Sarah, before her marriage to Henry. Is there any way I can find this out?

Sorry I was confused she is Batchelor not Blatch! It is unlikely that an unmarried woman would take in a child and the child would take the woman's surname I think. Remember that 'adoption' did not actually exist until well into the 20th century, children were just taken in and reared in a family.

I have searched the IGI for an Elizabeth Wild who would fit but without success. All we know is that in 1841 she was said to be born 'out of county' so we do not even know where we are looking.

Elizabeth's daughter married the son of Henry and Sarah.

If Elizabeth were Sarah's daughter before marriage, Henry and Sarah's son would be Elizabeth's half-brother and half-uncle of Elizabeth's daughter. Stranger marriages have been known to occur, lol. Especially if Elizabeth had never been told who her parents were and if Henry and Sarah were deceased when the Monson-Blatch marriage took place, Elizabeth's daughter might have married Elizabeth's half-brother without knowing how they were related. It does seem far fetched though, lol. But given the huge age difference already between Elizabeth's daughter and Henry and Sarah's son ... it could have been some unfortunate circumstance.

It might well have been Sarah's Batchelor parents who took Elizabeth in. She could have been the child of a sibling of Sarah?

Thank you for your help. In my information, Sarah Mercy Dance Batchelor was the second daughter of Thomas Batchelor and Elizabeth Loft. She had a brother, Edward b 1800 and sister, Elizabeth b 1806. The Batchelor family were well to do and objected when Sarah married the head gardener. It is supposed this is the reason they emmigrated to NZ. There is a possibility that Elizabeth returned to England later and died there. I think about 1895, and I have seen a record for Marylebone, but dont know if this can help. I have no proof of this.
Dorothy

This Elizabeth? is much too old to be your Elizabeth

Deaths Mar 1895 (>99%)
Monson Elizabeth _age 75_ Lewisham 1d 941

So the Edward Batchelor whose children I referred to earlier was Sarah's brother probably?

EDWARD BATCHELOR

Spouse: SUSAN BANHAM
Marriage: 19 AUG 1826 Walton On Thames, Surrey, England

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: M040381


EDWARD BATCHELOR
Birth: 30 JUN 1800
Christening: 27 MAR 1803 Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS BATCHELOR
Mother: ELISABETH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C098654


Sarah Mercy Batchelor is in the same batch.

These in a different batch also seem to be their children

British Isles
Father: Thomas Batchelor, Mother: Elizabeth
Batch Number: C154716

1. Jane Bachelor - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 10 AUG 1796 Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey, England
2. Elisabeth Bachelor - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 27 SEP 1793 Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey, England
3. Mary Ann Bachelor - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 15 OCT 1798 Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey, England

how about?

SUSANNAH LOFT BATCHELOR
Christening: 25 FEB 1810 Esher, Surrey, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS BATCHELOR
Mother: ELIZABETH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C069711


This would be the Elizabeth you refer to and also a son John

British Isles
Father: Thomas Batchelor, Mother: Elizabeth

1. ELIZBTH. BATCHELOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 OCT 1806 Esher, Surrey, England
2. JOHN BATCHELER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 DEC 1805 Esher, Surrey, England

Of course we do not know which children survived to marry and/or have children.


THOMAS BATCHELORE
Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH LOFT
Marriage: 04 MAY 1789 Esher, Surrey, England

Source Information:
Batch No.: M069713

I have to say I am still particularly curious about the young John Wild in Esher in 1841, who does not seem to be connected with anyone else there?

There is this submitted record in the IGI

William Batchelor
Birth: 04 NOV 1794 Croydon, Surrey, England
Christening: 07 DEC 1794 Croydon, Surrey, England
Father: Thomas William Batchelor
Mother: Elizabeth Mrs. Batchelor


There is also this birth

JOHN BATCHELOR
Birth:
06 FEB 1829 Christening:
15 MAR 1829 Esher, Surrey, England
Father: WILLIAM BATCHELOR
Mother: MARY
Source Information:
Batch No.: C069711

and in the same batch other Batchelor births with parents William and Mary

1. SARAH BATCHELOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 NOV 1822 Esher, Surrey, England
2. RICHARD BATCHELOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 MAY 1835 Esher, Surrey, England
3. ELIZABETH BATCHELOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 APR 1825 Esher, Surrey, England
4. WILLIAM JOSEPH BATCHELOR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 AUG 1818 Esher, Surrey, England

but drat here is that family in 1841

William Batchelor 48
Mary Batchelor 50
William Batchelor 20
Elizabeth Batchelor 17
John Batchelor 12
Richard Batchelor 6
Civil parish: Thames Ditton

There are scads of Batchelors born in Esher in trees here at Genes. Are you in touch wtih the person who has Elizabeth 1832 in his tree??

He also has Ann Wild 1781 Middlesex in his tree so I suppose you are closely connected and in touch already ...

No, I've just been through my contacts and cant find that one. This is a real puzzle! I have checked the BMD for New Zealand deaths and she's not there, as a death. I've been away back in the message boards and found someone with Wild, Batchelor and other names and have sent a message, but am not too hopeful, as it was from 2003, so its a real long shot.
Do you guys work 24/7? When I'm sending these, it must be the middle of the night there. Makes me even more grateful for your help.
Dorothy

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Dorothy it was simply unfair of you to put tihs problem to Rambling Rose in her lookup thread and not even mention all the efforts made here by me in particular

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1195070&px=1

That is just an invitation for her to repeat all the work done and it really is against the rule that says 'Don't submit the same – or similar – material more than once.'