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Quebec relatives of Edward Clement Donnelly

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bellad

bellad Report 27 Jun 2017 20:44

Quebec Montreal Canada descendants / relatives of Edward Clement Donnelly (deceased c.1932) fought in WW1 was injured and nursed in UK returned to Canada in 1919 married Estella O'Dowd c.1920 - would like to make contact with any relatives or descendants of either Edward or Estella.
thank you

patchem

patchem Report 27 Jun 2017 20:56

This is from Ancestry:

Edward Clement Donnelly
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Burial Year: 1932
Burial Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: Basilique Notre-Dame

but I find the original difficult to read - looks like a Hugh Donnelly mentioned?

Edward Clement Donnelly
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1892
Birth Place: Montreal, Quebec
Relative: L H Donnelly
Relationship of Relative: Father
Regimental Number: 65274

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Jun 2017 21:32

Just for ref

Edward Clement Donnely
Canada Census, 1911
Name Edward Clement Donnely
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place Montréal St. Antoine Sub-Districts 1-47, Quebec, Canada
Gender Male
Age (Estimated) 19
Marital Status Single
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Date Dec 1892
Birthplace Quebec

Hugh Donnely Chef M 57 Quebec
Heline Donnely Wife F 57 Quebec
Edward Clement Donnely Son M 19 Quebec
Herold Donnely Son M 17 Quebec

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 28 Jun 2017 21:08


Edward Donnly
in the 1921 Census of Canada
Male
Marital Status:
Married
Age:
31
Birth Year:
abt 1890
Birth Place:
Quebec
Relation to Head of House:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Estelle Donnly
Father Birth Place:
Quebec
Mother Birth Place:
Quebec
Racial or Tribal Origin:
English
Province or Territory:
Quebec
District:
Montreal (St Denis)
Street or Township:
1742 St Hubet Quact
Municipality:
St Denis
Occupation:
Dealer
Income:
900

Edward Donnly 31
Estelle Donnly 31

patchem

patchem Report 28 Jun 2017 21:45

Marriage (from Ancestry):
Estella Odowd Spouse: Edward Clement Donnelly
Event: Mariage (Marriage) Marriage Year: 1920
Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: St-Michel-Archange (rue St-Viateur)

bellad

bellad Report 29 Jun 2017 22:47

thank you all so much help, so very grateful, do add any more if you come across any more info, so grateful, kind regards

patchem

patchem Report 29 Jun 2017 23:20

Have not managed to find another marriage for her, or any children - do you know of any?

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 2 Jul 2017 23:09

for info, this is likely Estella in the 1891 Canadian census

Name: Stella Odowd
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 2
Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Quebec
Relation to Head-of-house: Daughter
Religion: Roman Catholic
French Canadian: No
Father's name: Joseph Odowd
Father's Birth Place: Quebec
Mother's name: Lizzie Odowd
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Province: Quebec
District Number: 172
District: Montréal Centre
Subdistrict: Ste Marie Ward

Joseph Odowd 30 - carpenter
Lizzie Odowd 27
Any Odowd 7
Lenie Odowd 6 (looks like Lessie)
Stella Odowd 2


I think this Joseph in 1911 is a cabinetmaker so seems to be the same couple

Name: Joseph Odowd
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 48
Birth Date: Dec 1862
Birth Place: Quebec
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race or Tribe: Irish
Province: Quebec
District: Hochelaga
District Number: 160
Sub-district: 14 - Montréal
Sub-District Number: 14
Place of Habitation: 540a St Patrick

Joseph Odowd 48
Elisabeth Odowd 42


and in 1901 per Ancestry (correct info from image shown below)

Name: Joseph Ododd
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Age: 36
Birth Day & Month: 12 Dec
Birth Year: 1864
Birthplace: Qc
Relation to Head of House: Chef (Head)
Racial or Tribal Origin: Irish
Nationality: Canadien (Canadian)
Religion: Roman Catholic
Occupation: Charpentier
Province: Quebec
District: Montréal (city/cité)
District Number: 175
Sub-district: Montréal (City/Cité) Saint-Antoine (Ward/Quartier)
Sub-District Number: A-68

Joseph Ododd 36
Armey Ododd 17 - Anney - 28 Aug 18??
Irasea Ododd 14 - ? Orasea? - 7 Mar 1887
Stilla Ododd 10 - Stella - 7 Aug 1891


Name: Helen Ann Odowd
Event: Baptême (Baptism)
Baptism Year: 1883
Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: St-Paul
father Joseph, cabinetmaker
mother Elizabeth O'Daly

actually, Ancestry has it transcribed twice, and the correct parish is Sainte Anne.


Name: Joseph Odowd
Spouse: Elizabeth Daly
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Marriage Year: 1881
Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Religion: Church of England
Place of Worship or Institution: Saint Patrick


Can't identify any other records for the two sisters, or any further record for Stella/Estella, so unfortunately that ends up not helping very much ...

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jul 2017 21:38

I think Lenie / Lessie in 1891 is Tessie, so probably Orasea in 1901 is Teresa.


Mary Theresa Odoud
in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968
Name: Mary Theresa Odoud
Event: Baptême (Baptism)
Baptism Year: 1885
Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Religion: Church of England
Place of Worship or Institution: Saint Anthony of Padua

The baptism took place on 8th March.
The handwriting on the original is hard to decipher, but it does say that she was the daughter of Joseph O Dowd, carpenter, and Elizabeth Duley [ maybe mis-spelling of Dooley ? EDIT: No, I see Daley in JC's post above]. The godfather was Thomas Ryan, "the child's uncle". The godmother was Ellen Duley, wife of Thomas Ryan, "the child's aunt". "This act has been read to the father."

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jul 2017 22:11

Ancestry suggests this is her below, but it may just be one of Ancestry's random guesses:

Theresa Sallie
in the Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1963
Name: Theresa Sallie
Gender: Female
Nationality: Scotch
Birth Date: 7 Mar 1885
Birth Place: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Departure Date: 12 Mar 1949
Departure Place: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
Departure Contact: Daughter Kathleen
Arrival Contact: Daughter Ruth Allkich [Aldrich, I think], 1567 Wishon, Fresno.
Child: Kathleen
Address: 721 Champagneur



Thresa Sallie
in the 1921 Census of Canada
Name: Thresa Sallie
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Place: Quebec
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Jas Sallie (Scottish)
Father Birth Place: Quebec
Mother Birth Place: Quebec
Year of Immigration: 1906
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Province or Territory: Quebec
District: Montreal (Laurier-Outremont)
District Number: 175
Sub-district: Laurier Ward, Montreal (City)
Sub-District Number: 1
City, Town or Village: Montreal
Street or Township: 34 De Gaspe
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jas Sallie 0
Thresa Sallie
Katheline Sallie
Jas Sallie
Ruth Sallie
Gerald Sallie
Thresa Sallie
Rita Sallie
Annie Hovid - sister-in-law (of James); name looks lik Howd - misinterpretation of O'Dowd ??



James Sallie
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: James Sallie
Gender: Male
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1881
Date of Arrival: 22 May 1906
Vessel: Sicilian
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland via Moville, Ireland
He's a mason, unmarried.
Travelling with Jas. Somerville, 24, stonecutter, single, from Lanarkshire.

Miss Theresa Sallie
in the Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980
Name: Miss Theresa Sallie
Gender: Female
Occupation: Clark
Year: 1949
Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Electoral District: Outremont-St-Jean
Address: 721 Champagneur.

Living with Miss Kathleen Sallie, teacher; Mr Gerald Sallie, traveller; and Miss Rita Sallie, steno.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Jul 2017 22:27

Looks like Annie O'Dowd's baptism:

Helen Ann Odowd
in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968
Name: Helen Ann Odowd
Event: Baptême (Baptism)
Baptism Year: 1883
Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: St-Paul

Baptism 30th August 1883. Birth 28th august.
Daughter of Joseph O'Dowd, cabinet maker, and Elizabeth B Daley.
Godmother: Helen Mooney, wife of Daniel Errington.
Godfather: Daniel Errington.


EDIT:
Oops, I see you've already posted that, JC.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 4 Jul 2017 04:00

Teresa, now why didn't I think of that. :-D

Here we are:

Name: Janes Sally
Spouse: Hansa Odowd
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Marriage Year: 1912
Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: St-Michel-Archange (rue St-Viateur)

it definitely says Teresa O' Dowd, daugher of Joseph O'Dowd and the late Elizabeth Daly. James was the widower of Helen Traynor.

So we got somewhere after all!

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 4 Jul 2017 04:04

The Teresa you identified on the voters list was a daughter.

In 1953 they were in Outremont (part of Montreal)

James retired
Tessie
Kathleen teacher
Rita stenographer
Teresa clerk

Their surname seems to get transcribed as SALLLE, and I can't figure out how they've transcribed Tessie ...

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Jul 2017 14:05

Teresa's daughter Rita was baptised 1921, but I won't post the full record in case she's still alive.

Middle names Ellen Erica (Ancestry's transcription says Erice, but I think it looks like Erica).
Parents James Sallie, master-cutler (or maybe master cutter, as he was a mason) and Teresa O'Dowd.
Godparents: Patrick McMollon [? his signature looks more like McMorarna] and his wife Ellen Gorey.



A son of Teresa & James - Patrick, - was buried in 1925. The record's too blurred to make out any more details:

Patrick Sallie
in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968
Name: Patrick Sallie
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Burial Year: 1925
Burial Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: Basilique Notre-Dame

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Jul 2017 14:16

This is the birth of a daughter of James Sallie and Ellen Trainor, his first wife, who must have died about the same time, if James and Teresa married in 1912.
"Sponsors" were James Doherty and Mary Theresa O'Dowd.

Ellen Sallie
in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968
Name: Ellen Sallie
Event: Baptême (Baptism)
Baptism Year: 1911
Baptism Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: Notre-Dame-du-Bon-Conseil


and the child's death:

Helen Sallie
in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968
Name: Helen Sallie
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Burial Year: 1911
Burial Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: Basilique Notre-Dame

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Jul 2017 14:20

Other children of James & Teresa were:

James , baptised 1915
Mary baptised 1919
Elizabeth Ruth , baptised 1913 - she's the daughter who married an Aldrich:

Ruth E Aldrich
in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Ruth E Aldrich
Social Security #: 554134678
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 Sep 1912
Birth Place: Canada
Death Date: 19 Oct 1976
Death Place: Fresno


Marriage of the son James:

James Sallie
in the Quebec, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1968
Name: James Sallie
Spouse: Eva Mary Barry
Event: Mariage (Marriage)
Marriage Year: 1941
Marriage Location: Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution: St-Michel-Archange (rue St-Viateur)

Mrs J Sallie (presumably Eva) and Miss Teresa Sallie (presumably a daughter) were still living in Montreal in 1968, per ER. The daughter worked for IBM.
EDIT:
Well, maybe not - they could be Teresa and her daughter Teresa.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Jul 2017 16:34

This looks like (possibly) the obituary of Rita, Estella's niece, with names of her children and grand-children.
EDIT: I'm not sure if it means Sallie was this lady's maiden surname, in which case she's probably the right person, or a middle name by which she was known, in which case she probably isn't.

You could try contacting the funeral directors. Although her funeral was in 2002, they may still have records of contact details for relatives.

https://tinyurl.com/y9f2hr2n

Also -

www.canada411.ca shows the address and phone number for a Michael Hurst in Laval - quite possibly this Rita's son.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 4 Jul 2017 17:40

Yes, the '(Sallie)' indicates her birth surname, and she is then referred to by that name because women in Quebec have always retained their birth names for some purposes and now do by law.

(She is entirely incorrectly called 'Mrs Sallie', but they do that a lot in Quebec and France where 'Mme' (Madame) is now just used as the equivalent of 'Monsieur', so they just incorrectly call all women 'Mrs' in English.)

(You can tell the obituary was written by a francophone employee of the funeral home: ' Also survived by HIS grandchildren'!)


The 1921 census for that family
(to remind myself! - Tessie is the sister of Stella/Estella O'Dowd Donnelly)


Name: Jas Sallie
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 0
Birth Year: abt 1921
Birth Place: Scotland
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Thresa Sallie
Father Birth Place: Scotland
Mother Birth Place: Quebec
Year of Immigration: 1906
Racial or Tribal Origin: French
Province or Territory: Quebec
District: Montreal (Laurier-Outremont)
District Number: 175
Sub-district: Laurier Ward, Montreal (City)
Sub-District Number: 1
City, Town or Village: Montreal
Street or Township: 34 De Gaspe
Occupation: Marble Cutter
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jas Sallie
Thresa Sallie
Katheline Sallie
Jas Sallie
Ruth Sallie
Gerald Sallie
Thresa Sallie
Rita Sallie
Annie Hovid


Unfortunately no ages are entered - it looks like ng, maybe 'not given'.

but Kathaline is shown as born in Scotland, so perhaps a daughter of the first marriage.

Annie Hovid is a sister-in-law, shown as single, and it actually seems to be HOWD, so I would guess that she is Helen Ann O'Dowd.

bellad

bellad Report 4 Jul 2017 18:28

wow you guys are Amazing !! thank you so much ,
best wishes
isabella susan (Donnelly)

you have given me heart to keep searching <3