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Maybe George was just not at that house on the night on the census for whatever reason and was elsewhere?

Yes I did wonder if it meant mother in law too

As Mary is listed as head of the household, the implication is that Betty is Mary 's mother.

Maybe the enumerator wrote the wrong surname for Betty,
or perhaps he meant mother-in-law.

Yes Mary Ann remarried John Downie in 1865

Where was George in 1851? But says Betty Prophet b 1777 is a widow and mother to the head?Im not sure who's mother she was?

Yes that is the correct family. But you can see my query on ErikaH's post Census 1851 as George is not there?

Not remarrried until 1865 ??

Mary Ann Prophet
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name Mary Ann Prophet
Registration Year 1865 [1865]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Congleton
Inferred County Cheshire
Volume 8a
Page 369
Records on Page (Name)
John Downing
Mary Ann Prophet

Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
Downie John Congleton 8a 369
Prophet Mary Ann Congleton 8a 369

Cheshire BMD version..........NOT married in CofE Church
DOWNIE John PROPHET Mary Ann 1865 Congleton, Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Cheshire East C/5/11

Mary Ann Prophet
in the 1851 England Census
Name Mary Ann Prophet
Age 27
Estimated Birth Year abt 1824
Relation Head
Mother's Name Betty Prophet
Gender Female
Where born Wacton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish Nottingham St Nicholas
County/Island Nottinghamshire
Country England
Registration district Nottingham
Sub-registration district Exchange
ED, institution, or vessel 2a
Neighbors
Household schedule number 44
Piece 2133
Folio 353
Page number 10
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Mary Ann Prophet 27 Head - MARRIED
Jane Prophet 8 Daughter
Elizabeth Prophet 6 Daughter
Harriett Prophet 3 Daughter
John Prophet 6 Mo Son
Betty Prophet 74 Mother

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Monument Place, Heaton Norris, Stockport, Cheshire & Lancashire, England
John Downie Head Married Male 33 1828 Stone mason Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Downie Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Barton, Lincolnshire, England
Jane Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Cap winder cotton mill Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Harriet Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 12 1849 Cap winder cotton mill Sandbach, Cheshire, England
John Prophet Stepson Unmarried Male 10 1851 Scholar Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Mary Ann Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 Scholar Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Emma Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 6 1855 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Fanny Prophet Stepdaughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
William Prophet Stepson Unmarried Male 2 1859 - Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

Young William in 1861, again for our reference:

William Prophet
in the 1861 England Census
Name William Prophet
Gender Male
Age 2
Relation Stepson (Step Son)
Estimated Birth Year 1859
Mother's Name Mary Ann Downie
Where born Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Civil parish Heaton Norris
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Stockport
Sub-registration district Heaton Norris
ED, institution, or vessel 12
Neighbors
Household schedule number 249
Piece 2561
Folio 103
Page number 43
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Downie 33 Head
Mary Ann Downie 34 Wife
Jane Prophet 17 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Harriet Prophet 12 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
John Prophet 10 Stepson (Step Son)
Mary Ann Prophet 8 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Emma Prophet 6 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
Fanney Prophet 4 Stepdaughter (Step Daughter)
William Prophet 2 Stepson (Step Son)

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dobbs Yard, Orchard Street, St Nicholas, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Mary Ann Prophet Head Married Female 27 1824 - Wotton, Lincolnshire, England
Jane Prophet Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Cheshire, England
Elizabeth Prophet Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Cheshire, England
Harriett Prophet Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Cheshire, England
John Prophet Son - Male 0 1851 - Cheshire, England
Betty Prophet Mother Widow Female 74 1777 Wid Cheshire, England

The marriage you mention for your George - for our reference:

Marriages Mar 1841 (>99%)
Lammiman Mary Ann Gongleton 19 76
LAMMIMAN Mary Anne Gongleton 19 76
PROPHETT George Congleton 19 76


Birth of the 1859 child:

PROPHET, WILLIAM mmn LAMMERSMAN
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in MACCLESFIELD Volume 08A Page 141

No that is not the correct marriage.
The spelling of his name changes from birth to death to census. They obviously spelt his name as it was pronounced!

My George married in 1841 to Mary Ann lamminan
In your post at 11.34 that is the correct death, i'm 99% positive. I shall wait for the cert with interest.

Name George Prophet
Gender Male
Baptism Date 28 Apr 1816
Baptism Place Sandbach, Cheshire, England
Father George Prophet
Mother Elizabeth Prophet
FHL Film Number 973139
Reference ID item 7 p 9

FITS AGE AT MARRIAGE

Mary Ann Lammaman
1819–
BIRTH ABT 1819 • Boston, Lincolnshire, England


Marriage
15 Feb 1841 • St Mary's Sandbach, Cheshire, England
GP, 24 bach, boatman of Betetton s of George P, lab and MAL, spinster, 20 of Betchton dau of John L, lab both signed Wits James Prophett and Sarah Foxleys both signed with an X

George Prophet
(1816–)

Note his occupation, for cross-referencing with death cert

Marriage of the man in the 1851 census above - THEREFORE HE IS NOT RIGHT MAN - if I'm understanding you last post correctly :

George Prophet
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name George Prophet
Registration Year 1846 [1846]
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Nantwich
Inferred County Cheshire
Volume 19
Page 135
Records on Page (Name)
George Prophet
Emma Woolrich

Thankyou ArgyllGran, I have found it and ordered the cert.

Even though I searched using other spellings, it didnt bring it up spelt as Profit!! Its a nighmare with all the variations.

He was married to Mary Ann Lamminan in 1841 but he died young. She remarried a few years later. The family of Prophets belong to my late grandmother. He wasnt showing on the 1851 census and shows his wife as the head???? So I needed to prove that he was still alive then as his last child was born in 1859.

I'm hoping the cert will give the address and name of the informant .

Once I get the cert, I shall come back and tell you what it revealed.

Ty for everyones help

Florence in the hebrides

WHO are you trying to trace?
What do you know about him?
What census records do you have for him?

Burials, by definition, are not civil records, and therefore do not have civil reference numbers

When searching for names which can easily be misinterpreted, use the 'phonetic search ' option

This is the only George Pro*t of about the right age I can find in Cheshire in 1851:

This is presumably the one whose baptism is posted above - but may not be the man you're looking for:

George Propheter
in the 1851 England Census
Name George Propheter [Prophett] [Prophet]
Age 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1821
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Emma Propheter
Gender Male
Where born Haslington, Cheshire, England
Civil parish Haslington
County/Island Cheshire
Country England
Registration district Nantwich
Sub-registration district Wybunbury
ED, institution, or vessel 4a
Neighbors
Household schedule number 15
Piece 2169
Folio 183
Page number 5
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George Propheter 30 Head
Emma Propheter 29 Wife
John Propheter 4 Son
William Propheter 3 Son
Alice Propheter 1 Mo Daughter
John Salmon 17 Nephew
John Kesheth 11


PROPHET, JOHN mmn WOOLRICH
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 159

PROPHET, WILLIAM mmn WOOLRICH
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 165

PROPHET, ALICE mmn WOOLRICH
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 19 Page 198

Born approx 1822, there may be no record of his baptism.

This is the only Cheshire baptism of someone of that name that I can find - not in either Nantwich or Macclesfield - but of course, he may not even have been born in Cheshire;

George Prophet
in the Cheshire, England, Select Bishop's Transcripts, 1576-1933
Name George Prophet
Gender Male
Baptism Date 31 Dec 1820
Baptism Place Haslington, Cheshire, England
Father John Prophet
Mother Anne
FHL Film Number 1655829

Did he marry?
Have you found him on 1851 census?