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Christopher
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14 Feb 2023 08:27 |
Hi - trying to track down Thomas McEwan - born a twin (I think - a sister called Mary Ann) born Sept 1828 and christened Nov 1828 at RC St Andrews Glasgow. Both names are on a Christening record on Scotlands people (and I think FMP - which someone checked for me as I do not have it).
Two exam questions for me:
Mary Ann (living with Charles McEwan and Mary Mcewan and others in Greenock) in the 1851 census as aged 20 (am confident it is same one) - did age errors such as this occur (she would have been 22/23). Interestingly when I put her in some years ago i had assumed the census of 1851 as the age calculator - even funnier you can see the error on other trees as people copied her in. As an aside I think I found her death as a single woman in 1872.
Trying to find a trace of Thomas - (long shot) - I have found "Thomas McEwan Died 1 Nov 1884 Residence: Isabella Street, Camperdown. NSW Australia (4504) - Born 1828 " - just trying to fin an ship records of Thomas McEwan going to Australia between 1845 and 1860
Thomas was a son of Charles McEwan and Mary Smith and born in Glasgow and then moved to Greenock (no trace of him on 1841 census.
I have details on my Ancestry tree
Any help appreciated.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2023 09:08 |
The easy answer to your first question - yes, ages can vary wildly from one census to another.
Re Thomas - how do you know he moved to Greenock if he's not on the 1841 census? [EDIT: Oops, you said his parents and sister were in Greenock in 1851.]
I assume from what you say, that you have no documented trace of him apart from his baptism, and that you're just wondering if the man in Australia might be your Thomas, without any particular reason to believe that he ever went there.
Unfortunately, Thomas McEwan (and other spellings) is a very common name. Also, old records can be very patchy. Registration of births, deaths and marriages was not compulsory in Scotland until 1855, so it's possible he died before then , although there's no record of it.
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KathleenBell
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14 Feb 2023 09:14 |
These are the records for the two Thomas McEwan's born 1828 in Scotland from Findmypast:-
First name(s) Thomas Father's first name(s) Alexander Last name McEwan Father's last name McEwan Birth year 1828 Page 38 Birth date 05 Jul 1828 Archive Ref OPR 465/7 Baptism year - Year Range 1820-1854 Place Alloa Item 2 County Clackmannanshire Record set Scotland, Parish Births & Baptisms 1564-1929 Country Scotland Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Mother's first name(s) Jane Subcategory Parish Baptisms Mother's last name Carmichael Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
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First name(s) Thomas Diocese Glasgow Last name McEwan County Lanarkshire Sex Male Country Scotland Birth year 1828 Archive The Scottish Catholic Archives Birth date 03 Sep 1828 Archive reference MP/62 Baptism year 1828 Volume 02 Baptism date 02 Nov 1828 Section 01 Father's first name(s) Charles Sub-section 02 Father's last name McEwan Year range 1795-1869 Mother's first name(s) Mary Record set Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Mother's last name Smith Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Denomination Roman Catholic Subcategory Parish Baptisms Parish St Andrew Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
Neither of these records have the parents as Charles and Mary.
I can't see a record of him going to Australia.
Kath. x
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2023 09:17 |
Kath - the second baptism you posted above has parents Charles and Mary, and is the one Christopher is talking about.
From SP:
MCEWAN THOMAS CHARLES MCEWAN / MARY SMITH Male [Birth:] 3/9/1828 [Baptism:] 2/11/1828 Glasgow, St Andrew's
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2023 10:36 |
By 1841, Thomas might have left home for work (aged 13) , so could be living anywhere, or might have already died. Ages stated on censuses can't be relied on. There are several possible spellings or mis-spellings of McEwan
I don't think you'll be able to identify him definitely on any census.
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2023 10:41 |
The man in Australia:
Thomas Mcewan in the Balmain, New South Wales, Australia, Cemetery Records, 1868-1912 Name: Thomas Mcewan Age: 56 Birth Date: abt 1828 Death Date: 3 Nov 1884 Death Place: Camperdown, New South Wales, Australia Religion: Church of England Notes: W. H. Wood & Son Household (Name) Thomas Mcewan Thomas [parent/spouse]
According to the image of that record, he was an engineer, and his religion was Church of England - so is unlikely to be the man baptised in a Catholic church, unless he'd changed his allegiance at some point.
It also says his parent's name was Thomas - so definitely not your man., if that's correct. He had a brother-in-law named Peter Raymond, and a son-in-law named Thomas Dagg.
Thomas Dagg in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Name: Thomas Dagg Marriage Date: 1879 Marriage Place: Sydney, New South Wales Registration Date: 1879 Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Spouse: Charlotte McEwen Registration Number: 386
Charlotte Elisabeth McEwen in the Sydney, Australia, Anglican Parish Registers, 1814-2011 Name: Charlotte Elisabeth McEwen Record Type: Baptism Birth Date: 4 Aug 1860 Baptism Date: 9 Sep 1860 Baptism Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Parish as it Appears: St Andrew Father: Thomas McEwen [ engineer] Mother: Charlotte McEwen
Thomas McEwan in the Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950 Name: Thomas McEwan Marriage Date: 1858 Marriage Place: Sydney, New South Wales Registration Date: 1858 Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Spouse: Charlotte C Raymond Registration Number: 939
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ArgyllGran
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14 Feb 2023 11:15 |
For our reference -
the 1851 census you mention:
Charles Mcewan in the 1851 Scotland Census Name: Charles Mcewan Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Relationship: Head Spouse: Mary Mcewan Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Parish Number: 564 Civil Parish: Greenock West County: Renfrewshire Address: 12 High Vennel Lambs Land Occupation: Gas Fitter Journeyman ED: 83 Page: 9 Household Schedule Number: 28 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1851_119 Household Members: Name Age Charles Mcewan 50 - Ireland Mary Mcewan 48 - Ireland Maryann Mcewan 20 - Glasgow Charles Mcewan 19 - Glasgow Theresa Mcewan 7 - Greenock Joseph Mcewan 4 - Greenock Charlotte Hardey 32 - niece, Ireland Catherine Oneil 20 - servant, Iireland
And in 1841 -
Mary Mcewan in the 1841 Scotland Census Name: Mary Mcewan Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Greenock St Andrews County: Renfrewshire Address: Vennel Parish Number: 564 Household Members (Name) Age Mary Mcewan 35 Charles Mcewan 10 Maryann Mcewan 12 Charlotte Harvey 20 Agnes Smith 70 Mary MacKledowie 40
Son Charles's baptism:
MCEWAN CHARLES CHARLES MCEWAN / MARY SMITH Male 10/2/1831 [DOB ] 13/2/1831 [ Baptism ] Glasgow, St Andrew's
I suspect Thomas had died in early childhood, although there's no record.
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KathleenBell
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14 Feb 2023 14:12 |
Sorry about the baptisms I posted.. Senior moment then. I can't have read the record properly.
Kath. x
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Christopher
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14 Feb 2023 21:02 |
Thanks all - I started to go down a rabbit hole and you pulled me out
Mary Ann has been a useful search though - I think I have managed to work out that she was unmarried when she died.
My mission atm is to try to track all descendants of Charles McEwan (1801-1857) and Mary Smith :-D :-(
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ArgyllGran
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15 Feb 2023 08:58 |
You say you think Mary Ann died in 1872. Where?
I don't see any such death on Scotlands People - though I don't see her (so far) after 1871.
She's still with her mother in 1871:
Mary Ann McEwan in the 1871 Scotland Census Name: Mary Ann McEwan Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relationship: Daughter Mother's Name: Mary McEwan Gender: Female Where born: Greenock Registration Number: 564/1 Registration district: Greenock Middle Civil parish: Greenock Middle Town: Greenock County: Renfrewshire Address: 11 Cross Shore Street Occupation: Stationer ED: 5 Household schedule number: 78 Line: 16 Roll: CSSCT1871_97 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Mary McEwan 70 Head Mary Ann McEwan 25 Daughter Thoresa McDonald 26 Daughter Hugh McDonald 5 Mo Grandson Mary I McDonald 4 Grandaughter (Granddaughter) Bridget Morgan 50 Servant
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ArgyllGran
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15 Feb 2023 09:15 |
Theresa - 1871 above:
Marriage:
MCEWEN THERESA MCDONALD HUGH 1866 564 / 3 / 121 Greenock Old or West
Teresa McDonald in the 1881 Scotland Census Name: Teresa McDonald Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire Registration Number: 510 Registration district: Dunoon and Kilmun Civil parish: Dunoon and Kilmun County: Argyll Address: Hillfoot St Parlanes Ld B.C Occupation: Hawkers ED: 5 Household schedule number: 50 Line: 24 Roll: cssct1881_151 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Cath Cairns 25 Head James Cairns 6 Son Mary Ann Cairns 3 Daughter John Cairns 1 Son Teresa McDonald 34 Boarder Teresa McDonald 13 Boarder Hugh McDonald 10 Boarder
Theresa McEwan in the Web: Scotland, Prison Records Index, 1828-1878 Name: Theresa McEwan [Theresa McDonald] Gender: Female Age: 40 Birth Date: 1845 Birth Place: Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Residence Place: Greenock Imprisonment Date: 1885 Imprisonment Place: Greenock, Renfrewshire Prison: Greenock Occupation: Hawker
Theresa McEwan in the Web: Scotland, Prison Records Index, 1828-1878 Name: Theresa McEwan [Theresa McDonald] Gender: Female Age: 42 Birth Date: 1846 Birth Place: Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Residence Place: Not fixed Imprisonment Date: 1888 Imprisonment Place: Ayr, Ayrshire Prison: Ayr Occupation: None
Theresa McEwan in the Web: Scotland, Prison Records Index, 1828-1878 Name: Theresa McEwan [Theresa McDonald] Gender: Female Age: 44 Birth Date: 1845 Birth Place: Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Residence Place: No fixed Imprisonment Date: 1889 Imprisonment Place: Ayr, Ayrshire Prison: Ayr Occupation: Hawker
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ErikaH
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16 Feb 2023 16:20 |
Confirming that Thomas was Mary’s twin
MCEWEN MARY ANNE CHARLES MCEWEN / MARY SMITH FEMALE 3/9/1828 2/11/1828 GLASGOW, ST ANDREW'S
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ErikaH
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17 Feb 2023 11:32 |
FMP transcription of 1871..............
11, Cross Shore Street, Middle Parish Greenock, Middle Parish, Renfrewshire, Scotland Mary McEwan Head Widow Female 70 1801 - Ireland Mary Ann McEwan Daughter Unmarried Female 35 1836 Stationer Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Theresa McDonold Daughter Married Female 26 1845 - Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Hugh McDonold Grand son - Male 0 1871 - Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Mary I McDonold Grand daughter - Female 4 1867 - Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Bridget Morgan Servant Unmarried Female 50 1821 General servt domestic Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland
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alviegal
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18 Feb 2023 17:06 |
Mary Ann, daughter of Mrs McEwan, died at 11 Cross Shore Street, Greenock in March 1872 (Greenock Telegraph 6.3. 1872)
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ArgyllGran
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18 Feb 2023 17:20 |
And her death - easily found after all. Don't know why I couldn't see it before!
MCEWAN MARY ANN 35 mmn SMITH F 1872 564 / 1 / 58 Greenock New or Middle
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