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Hello, is anyone researching John Allan Turner from Nottingham? He was born in 1891, and appears on the 1911 Census as Allan Turner. His mother was Jane, and father George. He may have left Nottingham and changed his name during World War 1.

Thank you for any help,

Lynne Meek

could this be his marriage

Marriages Dec 1927   (>99%)

Turner
 John A
 Simpson
 Mansfield
 7b
369

Thanks for the reply but, if I have the right person, he would have been going under the name Taylor by that time, and his wife was Lilian Pryor (Sapsford).

I am waiting for a marriage certificate for John A Turner at Nottingham in 1911, possibly to Elizabeth Briggs.

1901 Census?

Name: John A Turner
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Mother: Jane Turner
Birth Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Nottingham
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Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3185
Folio: 147
Page Number: 10
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Turner 44 Widow b Notts occ Cardboard Box Maker
Charlotte Turner 21 b Notts occ Machinist aprons and pinafores
Florence A Turner 20 b Notts occ Machinist aprons and pinafores
John A Turner 9 b Notts
Frances Ethel Turner 6 b Notts
John Hewitt 78 Father b Notts Retired Framework Knitter
Mary Hewitt 78 Mother b Notts

Do you have John A's date of birth?

Why do you think he changed his name?

County Nottinghamshire
Place Radford
Church name St Peter
Register type Transcript
Marriage date 06 Oct 1888
Groom forename George
Groom surname TURNER
Groom age 32
Bride forename Jane
Bride surname HEWITT
Bride age 31
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname TURNER
Bride father forename John
Bride father surname HEWITT

(if relating!, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
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TURNER John Allan Nottingham 7b 291

Londonbelle, thank you, I have the Census records, and have applied for his birth certificate. I'm hoping to receive it next week.

We don't know why he changed his name, but it seems that he left a wife and possibly a small child. My daughter and I were discussing it today, and we think something must have happened to make him do that. He could have been my grandfather; the forenames are the same, the age is the same, he was born in Nottingham, and I had been told that his surname was probably Turner.

I am hoping that someone may have been researching his branch, wondering what happened to him, while I was researching my family and wondering who he was.

Chris Ho, thank you for your contribution.That confirms what we found on the weekend, with regard to George and Jane, but we did not have a marriage date.

This is all very exciting. I feel as if I may have found a whole new family.

Regards
Lynne

Is this John and Lilian in 1939? There are 2 officially closed records underneath.


Stock Hay Lane , Lichfield R.D., Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
John Allan Taylor 18 Jun 1891 Male Clerk Accounts Married 85 1
Lilian Alice Taylor 14 Jul 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 85 2




Would appear to be correct as this is Lilian in 1911.



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14 Abbey Cottages the Romeland Waltham Abbey S O Essex, Waltham Holy Cross, Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Albert Sapsford Head Married Male Laborer Ground Work 67 1844 Essex Gt Hallingbury
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Mary Ann Sapsford Wife Married Female - 65 1846 Essex Birchanger
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Ellen Sapsford Daughter Single Female General Servant Domestic 25 1886 Essex Waltham Abbey
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Albrey Pryor Grandson - Male - 5 1906 Essex Waltham Abbey
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>>Lilian Alice Pryor Daughter Widow Female Shorthand Typist 26 1885 London Cambridge Heath




Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941 Transcription


First name(s) Aubrey William Herbert
Last name Pryor
Event year 1921
Birth year 1905
Birth place Waltham Abbey
Birth county/country Essex
Birth date ? ? 1905
Discharge number 1118683
Card type CR1
Archive The National Archives
Series BT349
Date range 1921-1941


PRYOR ALBREY WILLIAM H 1906 — 1906 Births & baptisms Edmonton, Middlesex, England

The best way to find people who are researching him (under either names) is to use the Search All member trees. That can be found top right under 'Search'.
If either names match with your own research, send a message to the tree owner.

(wonder if him, looking at 1939)

Chris :)

01 March 1935 - Lichfield Mercury - Lichfield, Staffordshire, England

LICHFIELD COUNTY POLICE.
John Allan Taylor, of 44, Vicarage Lane, Leomansley, was sworn in as a special constable.

Lilian Alice's first marriage?

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
PRYOR Albrey William Romford 4a 832
SAPSFORD Lilian Alice Romford 4a 832

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/sapsford/thread/1229071

(somebody else researching Sapsford/Pryor)

Chris :)

Pamela Report 7 Jul 2010 19:36

Can anyone help find out about Lilian Alice sapsford born 1885
She married Albrey Pryor in 1905. I think she was born in Cambridge heath.
pam


Name: Albrey W Pryor
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 30
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 322

Yes, that is definitely my grandparents in 1939. The two closed records are my mother and my aunitie who could, feasibly, be alive today.

Thanks for the notes on Albrey William Herbert Pryor, my Uncle Jim, who lived with us in Lichfield. I can't remember any talk about him being in the merchant navy, but that would explain why he isn't on the 1939 Census.

I never heard of John Taylor being a Special Constable, but the name Allan seems to have been unusual, so it possibly is him. We lived in Birmingham Road and I understood that they were there before his death. I couldn't find a Vicarage Lane in Leomansley, but there was one in Whittington. I seem to remember Mum talking about living in Leomansley. Is there any way I can get more information on this?

Yes, MargaretM, that is Lilian's first marriage, to Albrey Pryor.

That is all very interesting, it has given me a couple of leads to follow. Thank you, everyone, for your input. I have found three matches in the Family Tree search, so will pursue them.

http://www.staffsspecials.org/

https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/leisure/archives/homepage.aspx

(perhaps one of above might be able to shed more light on Police front!)

Have a look on google, Leomansley, if any help. (not familiar with it myself)

Chris :)

Edits

(are you getting the Birth Cert. for John Allan Turner, to get his Birthdate?)

Just thought I'd add this birth in Ireland which may or may not be relevant

Name. John Allan Taylor
Date of Registration. Apr-May-Jun 1891
Registration District. Limerick
Birth Country Ireland
Volume 5
Page 369

Chris Ho :), I had a look at Leomansley on Google Earth. There is no Vicarage Lane there now, but I know they lived somewhere near there before they moved to the house that I lived in. Yes, I have applied for John Allan Turner's Birth Certificate. I'm in Australia, so we have to wait longer - hopefully next week.

Londonbelle, It's interesting, but my John Allan Taylor was born in Nottingham. I don't have any Irish connections that I know of.

Didn't realise that you knew that he was actually born in Nottingham, I'll leave it on the Thread for elimination purposes :-)

(so below could be first Marriage for George, looking at second to Jane)

Chris :)

1891 (Find My Past)
George Turner Head Married Male 34 1857 House Painter Leicestershire, England
Jane Turner Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Charlotte Turner Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Florence A Turner Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Street Annfield Terrace
Town Nottingham
Parish Radford
County Nottinghamshire
Registration district Nottingham
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 2686
Folio 62
Page 22


County Nottinghamshire
Place Radford
Church name St Peter
Register type Transcript
Marriage date 05 Jan 1880
Groom forename George
Groom surname TURNER
Groom age 23
Bride forename Sarah Ann
Bride surname WRIGHT
Bride age 19
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname TURNER
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname WRIGHT


Deaths Sep 1885 (>99%)
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Turner Sarah Ann 25 Nottingham 7b 127


1881 (Find My Past)
George Turner Head Married Male 24 1857 Painter Sheepshed, Leicestershire, England
Sarah A Turner Wife Married Female 20 1861 - Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Charles Turner Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
Florence Turner Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Radford, Nottinghamshire, England
House number 13
Street Outgang Lane
Parish Radford
County Nottinghamshire
Registration district Nottingham
Archive reference RG11
Piece number 3343
Folio 103
Page 23

I'm speechless! So much help, so much information to follow up on. It's going to keep me busy for the next few days. Thank you so much, everyone, for your helpful replies. Now, i have to try and put it into some kind of order. :-)