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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 22:20

Following the Cornelius line, one of whom has disappeared after 1911.

Sarah Ann Eliza Cornelius b 22 Apr 1878 Faversham Kent,married Richard Oliver Gillham on 28 Jul 1897, St Mary of Charity, Faversham.

Sarah Gilham
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: Richard Gilham
Birth Place: Faversham, Kent, England
Civil Parish: North Preston Without
Ecclesiastical parish: Brents St John the Evangalist
Town: North Preston Without
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Faversham
Sub-registration district: Faversham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 803
Folio: 34
Page Number: 7
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Gilham 24 - b1877, Ramsgate
Sarah Gilham 23
Nellie Gilham 3 (Nellie Alice Emily bap 26 Nov 1897)
Mable Gilham 1 bap 13 Dec 1899

1911
Sarah Gillham
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Faversham, Kent
Civil Parish: Faversham Within
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 41 Luton Road, Faversham, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Faversham
Registration District Number: 60
Sub-registration district: Faversham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 4397

Sarah Gillham 32
William Smith 35 (boarder)
Alfred Cornelius 41 (brother)

8 children born, 2 died. If she's correct then one is missing

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 22:26

Nellie Alice Emily Gillham is in the Faversham UWH in 1911, then disappears.

Mable is boarding with the Howlands, then also disappears
Mabel Gilham
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1900
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Faversham, Kent
Civil Parish: Faversham Within
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 39 Roman Road, Faversham
Occupation: school
Registration district: Faversham
Registration District Number: 60
Sub-registration district: Faversham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 236
Piece: 4392
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert George Howland 48
Mary Ann Howland 40
Mabel Gilham 11
...........

Other suspected children based on surname or baptism
Elsie Esther Gillham b & d 1901
Albert Richard Gillham bap 11 Feb 1903 St Mary of Charity, Faversham
Boarding in 1911
Albert Richard Gilham
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Faversham, Kent
Civil Parish: Faversham Within
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 4 Top Bridge, Lady Dane, Whitstable Road, Faversham
Occupation: school
Registration district: Faversham
Registration District Number: 60
Sub-registration district: Faversham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 259
Piece: 4397
Household Members:
Name Age
James Post 51
Martha Ann Post 48
James William Post 22
Daisy Post 18
George Henry Post 10
Albert Richard Gilham 8

The Posts may have gone to Mass, USA. Did he go too?

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 22:34

Ethel Sophia Gillham bap 13 Jul 1904 St Mary of Charity, Faversham. Married Albert H Ford in 1944 & Died Thanet 1974.

1911?? Not confident
Ethel Gilham
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Faversham, Kent
Civil Parish: Selling

County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Nr Church, Selling, Ashford, Faversham, Kent
Registration district: Faversham
Registration District Number: 60
Sub-registration district: Boughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 32
Piece: 4386
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Hall 55
Charlotte Eliza Hall 54
Walter James Hall 29
Lily Hall 28
........
Ivy Gillham bap 16 May 1906 ~St Mary of Charity, Faversham

Ivy Gillham
Age in 1911: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1906
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Faversham, Kent
Civil Parish: Faversham Within
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 5 Beaumont Terrace, Station Road,Faversham, Kent
Registration district: Faversham
Registration District Number: 60
Sub-registration district: Faversham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 127
Piece: 4398
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas Jerry 35
Charlotte Jerry 33
Winnie May Jerry 12
Ivy Gillham 5

She then disappears.
...........
Alfred George Gillham 21 Jun 1908 - 2 Mar 1997 Canterbury.
In 1911 he is in the Faversham UWH and goes to Canada in 1925.
In 1929 he crosses the Canada-US border and says he's going to visit his step-mother Mrs J W Post in Mass!

Alfred George Gilham
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1908
Birth Place: Fauersham
Birth Country: England
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Arrival Date: 23 Dec 1929
Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York, USA
Arrival Contact: Step Mother Mrs J W Post
Departure Contact: Employer Lawrence Weoan
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Cards

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 22:36

Are you still with it????

Basically, what happened to the parents and missing children. I can't find any of them on the 1939 Register.

Did Sarah Ann Eliza Cornelius/Gillham miscount, or is there an undiscovered child??

Thank you for reading :-D :-D

Choccy

Choccy Report 24 May 2016 22:48

maybe -


Marriages Jun 1923 (

Amos William E Gillham Faversham 2a 2130
Gillham Nellie Amos Faversham 2a 2130


1939

Amos Household (4 People)

Rose & Crown , Strood R.D., Kent, England

Nellie A Amos 02 Nov 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 38 2
William E Amos 20 May 1902 Male Farm Shepherd Married 38 1
Daphne J Theobald (Amos) 13 Apr 1924 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 38 3
Edward G McCallum 20 Mar 1916 Male General Labourer Heavy Worker Single 38 4



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007


Name:Nellie Alice Amos

Birth Date:2 Nov 1897

Date of Registration:Sep 1986

Age at Death:88

Registration district:Chatham
Inferred County:Kent

Volume:16
Page:525

Rambling

Rambling Report 24 May 2016 22:52

Sorry I'm a bit lost so will just look and see what crops up lol

? There's a photo of him also attached to the record

Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941 Transcription
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First name(s) Albert Richard
Last name Gilham
Event year 1918
Birth year 1901
Birth place Faversham
Birth county/country Kent
Birth date 26 Jul 1901
Discharge number 898048
Identity certificate number RS236178
Card type CR10
Archive The National Archives
Series BT350
Date range 1918-1921
Record set Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941
Category Education & work
Subcategory Merchant navy & maritime
Collections from Great Britain

Choccy

Choccy Report 24 May 2016 22:56


Marriages Sep 1925

Gillham Elsie E Smallman Dartford 2a 1718
SMALLMAN Edwin R Gillham Dartford 2a 1718


Deaths Dec 1927

Smallman Elsie E 27 Dartford 2a 766

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 22:58

Rose - and you think you were lost?? If I'd added all B, Bap, M or D records, it would have run into 2 pages :-D :-D
The Merchant Navy record does look promising.

Thanks for identifying Nellie's death Choccy - no wonder I couldn't find her on the 1939. She married a toy boy and didn't want the age difference to be known. ;-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 May 2016 22:59

Have you found Sarah Cornelius / Gillham after 1911? If not, could this be her with Ivy?

Ivy Gilham
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Ivy Gilham
Gender: Female
Departure Date: 3 Nov 1911
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Matatua
Shipping line: Shaw Savill & Albion Co, Ltd
Official Number: 114599
Master: L B Gillman


She's a child, travelling with Mrs Gilham, housewife.

Catherine

Catherine Report 24 May 2016 23:02

Could she have remarried:-

First name(s) SARAH A E
Last name GILLHAM
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1915

Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SARAH A E GILLHAM married

JAMES STUPPLE
Spouse's last name STRIPPLE

District FAVERSHAM
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Page 2960
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain


1939

Stupple Household (2 People)
1 Hughes Place , Faversham M.B., Kent, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL
STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Sarah A E Stupple (22 Apr 1878) Female Housewife Widowed 38 1

Paul V Pittock 24 Apr 1881 Male Public Works Labourer Single 38 2

Date of birth fits, so looks to be her.


EDIT:- Death of second husband?

Deaths Jun 1923 (>99%)
STUPPLE James 46 Faversham 2a 1009


This looks to be relevant to second husband:-

First name(s) James
Last name Stupple
Birth year 1878
Admission year 1918
Age 41
Occupation/grade Labourer
Trade Railway workers
Union name National Union of Railwaymen
Union branch Faversham
Union branch as transcribed Faversham
County Kent
Country England
Archive Modern Records Centre
Archive reference MSS.127/NU/OR/2/62
Folio or page 246
Title General Register
Dates Jan-Feb 1919
Information contained Members 913001-928000
No of volumes 1
Record set Britain, Trade Union membership registers
Category Education & work
Subcategory Guild & Trade Associations
Collections from Great Britain


1911
5 Thomas Square Faversham, Faversham Within, Kent, England
First name(s) James
Last name Stupple
Relationship Head
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Occupation Worker
Age 34
Birth year 1877
Birth place Herne Bay Kent
Address 5 Thomas Square Faversham
Parish Faversham Within
County Kent
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Faversham
Registration district number 60
Enumeration district 6
District number -
Sub district Faversham
Sub district number 2
Census reference RG14PN4395 RG78PN179 RD60 SD2 ED6 SN240
Piece number 4395
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) JAMES
Other household member last name BACK, STUPPLE
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

Also in household:-
- Back Housekeeper Married Female Fieldsworker 38 1873 Dartford Kent

Rambling

Rambling Report 24 May 2016 23:04

British Merchant Navy, First World War Medal Cards 1914-1925 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) Albert
Last name Gilham
Birth year 1901
Birth place as transcribed Favesham
Birth place Favesham
Birth county -
Birth country -
Link to site http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8018417
Source Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Index of First World War Mercantile Marine Medals and the British War Medal
Archive reference BT 351/1/50950
Record set British Merchant Navy, First World War Medal Cards 1914-1925
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain

Catherine

Catherine Report 24 May 2016 23:13

Wonder if this is Richard?

First name(s) Richard
Last name Gillham
Year 1913
Entry date 10 Jul 1913
Status/occupation Patient
Summary Classified as Private Patient at 15/2d a week
Place Bexley
Institution Asylum
County Kent
Country England
Book Resolutions Book 6
Page 38
Line number 683
Source To arrange to view full Notice or Minute in the Book, contact the NW Kent Family History Society library.
Record set Kent, Bexley Asylum minute books, 1901-1939
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Hospitals
Collections from Great Britain

..........but can't find a death.

Rambling

Rambling Report 24 May 2016 23:18

Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Gillham Albert R O Revell Faversham 2a 257_

Gillham Household (2 People)
21 Nelson Road , Whitstable U.D., Kent, England
ON
Albert R O Gillham 07 Dec 1901 Glass Filler
Minnie E Gillham 05 Jun 1909 Unpaid Domestic Duties

Deaths Mar 1962 (>99%)
GILLHAM Albert R O 61 Bridge 5b 80


Edit no can't be that one as the date of birth doesn't match the navy record

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 23:27

Although I’d seen the asylum record for Richard Gillham, I’d dismissed it as being out of area. However, if his daughter Elsie E did marry in Dartford, it does provide a more plausible link.

Sarah A E’s remarriage in 1915 looks good! She doesn’t have much luck with husbands does she? Assuming its correct, it more or less rules out the Australian venture.

Rose – I’d kept wondering if Albert Richard had assumed on O(liver). At least we can discard that one now.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 May 2016 23:30

EDIT:
No, ignore this. Mabel was born end of 1899:
Births Dec 1899 (>99%)
Gillham Mabel Faversham 2a 895




[Deleted wrong info based on a Mabel born 1906.]

Catherine

Catherine Report 24 May 2016 23:31

I do believe the marriage is correct as 1939 register gives correct date of birth.


This looks to be her death:-

First name(s) SARAH A E
Last name STUPPLE
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1879
Age 83
Death quarter 1
Death year 1962
District THANET
County Kent
Volume 5B
Page 1178
Country England
Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

Rambling

Rambling Report 24 May 2016 23:34

Wondering about this? EDIT No.... this one is Albert Edward on the CWGC


Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription

First name(s) Albert
Last name Gillham
Gender Male
Birth year 1902
Birth date 1902
Birth place Dover
Death year 1917
Death date 24 Mar 1917
Age 15
Vessel name Achille Adam
Departure port -
County AT SEA
Series BT 334
Box 0071
Page 13
Record set Deaths at sea, 1781-1968
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 24 May 2016 23:44

Now you see why I've been going round in circles :-D

Thank you so much for your assistance - I'll check in tomorrow to see if there are any updates. At least you've all managed to put some of them 'to bed'.

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 25 May 2016 07:09

I know you have Ethel's death but here she is in 1939 (apologies if this already posted)

Ethel S Ford (Gillam) 25 Jun 1904 Female Paid Help Domestic Single 198 1
Address 28 Holland Road Southend

Jude

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 25 May 2016 07:27

Jude - none of the 1939 registers had originally been found, so thanks for that. :-)
Back later.