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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Duke Street Ope, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England


First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Michael Sholl Male 60 1781 Devon, England Transcription
Jane Sholl Female 55 1786 - Transcription
Richard Sholl Male 25 1816 Devon, England Transcription
Charlotte Sholl Female 20 1821 Devon, England Transcription
Elizabeth Sholl Female 15 1826 Devon, England Transcription
Maria Tierney Female 30 1811 Devon, England Transcription
James Tierney Male 1 1840 Devon, England Transcription
John McDowell Male 85 1756 Ireland Army Pensioner

Two Sholls (Michael & Jane) were witnesses when William married Mary Gerry - the name wasn't Stott, as you thought

First name(s) John
Last name Mcdowell
Age 89
Birth year 1756
Burial year 1845
Burial date 05 Jun 1845
Denomination Anglican
Place Stoke Damerel
County Devon
Country England
Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office
Archive reference 166/91
Page 231

You said JOHN married Catherine (and died in 1844)........can you check, please.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Chapel Street, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
George Winnecott Male 60 1781 Devon, England Transcription
Mary Winnecott Female 70 1771 Devon, England Transcription
William McDowell Male 75 1766 Ireland Transcription
Catherine McDowell Female 50 1791........not born in Devon



First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name MCDOWALL
Gender Male
Death quarter 1
Death year 1844
District STOKE DAMEREL
County Devon
Volume 9 Page 322

First name(s) William
Last name Mc Dowell
Marriage year 1812
Marriage date 28 Mar 1812
Parish Stoke Damerel
Place Stoke Damerel
Spouse's first name(s) Catherine
Spouse's last name Bowman
Denomination Anglican
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Marriages

William was a Seaman of H M Brig Goldfinch

Witnesses Ann Wills and Wm Roberts

Catherine was a spinster. William's status was not recorded

I dont know how to get proof for william b 1766 ireland Dont you think its correct then

as I said kath got all this info off ancestry she lives in A.U and connected to my mothers side

You haven't even got proof - of William 1792/3 parents, unless you have been given some and not mentioned it

Until you have that, nothing is certain

My query was that you stated JOHN married Catherine. He didn't

Jacqueline

You stated william got married to Catherine Bowman 0n paragraph 1/8/ time 20.16 then on the last one at 23. 26 you state he never

I have his death certificate William Mcdowall 21/3/ 1844 57 Chapel st Devonport age 74 seaman x mark of of Catherine Mcdowall present at death

Did he Marry Sarah Baber 1790 ??

If all this is wrong how can I get proof

PLEASE Joyce, understand what I am saying - read the posts carefully. I hoped I'd been clear - perhaps not?

LOOK at page one where you said JOHN married Catherine. That didn't happen

WILLIAM married Catherine.

I have no idea if William married Sarah. There is no record of it on FMP

Even if there was, how would one know if it was the same William?

As I've said repeatedly, you will never resolve this line until you find a baptism for William 1792/3

This is the only reference I can find to Sarah Baber in Devon, apart from a baptism in 1738, which is irrelevant

First name(s) Ann Drake
Last name Dowell
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1797
Baptism date 30 Nov 1797
Place Sidbury
County Devon
Country England
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Dowell
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name Baber
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

Perhaps this is the birth/baptism of the William 1649 Edinburgh, mentioned in your opening post. There's no way to know if he's related to the other McDowells or not.

Perhaps his father Alexander is the one you mentioned, 1610 Edinburgh - but again, no way of knowing. And I still can't see any record of an Alexander McDowell (or variation) born or baptised in 1610.

08/07/1649 MCDOWEL WILLIAME
ALEXANDER MCDOWEL/CATHARINE BROUN FR1411 (FR1411) M EDINBURGH EDINBURGH CITY CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0050 0304

Re William 1792 Sidbury, Devon:

there's this baptism:

Willm Dowell
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Willm Dowell
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1792
Baptism Place: Sidbury,Devon,England
Father: Willm Dowell
Mother: Sarah (but it doesn't give her surname, so no proof of anything)
FHL Film Number: 916934


He may perhaps be a brother of the Ann Drake Dowell whose baptism Jacqueline posted.

However, there's also this:

William Dowell
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Dowell
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1814
Baptism Place: Sidbury,Devon,England
Mother: Sarah Dowell
FHL Film Number: 916934


IF (and only IF) that's the same Sarah, it would seem to indicate that William 1792 died in infancy.
BUT there's no father's name given for the 1814 one, so it may be a different Sarah.

And anyway, there's no proof that these Dowells are McDowells - they might be quite separate.

Unfortunately, Joyce, the old records (pre-census and pre-statutory registration) are patchy and don't contain a lot of information, so linking one person definitely with another is often impossible.

Just in case it turns out to be relevant - though I doubt it - here's William 1814 in censuses. He's a carpenter, and unmarried:

William Dowell
in the 1851 England Census
Name: William Dowell
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Sidbury, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 438
Piece: 1491
Folio: 689
Page Number: 79



William Dowell
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Dowell
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Sidbury, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 310
Piece: 185
Folio: 29
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dowell 57 - carpenter; unmarried (maybe divorced? widowed?)
William Dowell 11 - son
Henry Dowell 9 - son
James Dowell 5 - son

Thank you Jacqueline and Argyl/Gran for all your help

William Henry Mc Dowell my great grandfather b 20/12/1847 38 Duke St St Aubyn Plymouth m Eliz Rundle 19/2 /1869 St Mary Devonport

Which I have certificates for they had 5 children

Who were his parents?

First name(s) William Henry
Last name Mcdowell
Age 21
Birth year 1848
Marriage year 1869
Marriage date 19 Feb 1869
Denomination Anglican
Place Devonport, St Mary
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name McDowell
Spouse's first name(s) Editha Harriett*****************************
Spouse's last name Rundle
Spouse's age 22
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edmund Polglass
Spouse's father's last name Rundle

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
41, Duke Street, Devonport Stoke-Damerel, Stoke-Damerel, Devon, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H Mc Dowell Head Married Male 34 1847 Asst Boiler Maker Devonport, Devon, England Transcription
Edith Mc Dowell Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Penryn, Cornwall, England Transcription
Elizh Mc Dowell Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England Transcription
Alfred Mc Dowell Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England Transcription
Wm Mc Dowell Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England Transcription
Emily Mc Dowell Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England Transcription
Edmund Mc Dowell Son Single Male 2 1879 - Devonport, Devon, England

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Turn Chapel, Plymstock, Plympton Saint Mary, Devon, England

Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edmund P Rundle Head Married Male 29 1822 Shipwright Cornwall, England Transcription
Elizabeth Jane Rundle Wife Married Female 27 1824 - London, Middlesex, England Transcription
Henry John Rundle Son Unmarried Male 7 1844 - Penryn, Cornwall, England Transcription
Adeitha Harriet Rundle Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Penryn, Cornwall, England Transcription
Emily Ellen Rundle Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Penryn, Cornwall, England Transcription
Susan Elizth Rundle Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Turnchapel, Devon, England Transcription

John b 8/10/1815 died 11/9/1849 stoke damerel m charlotte peageon 29/6/1835 stoke damerel devon had 5 children she was born 21/8/1814
she married william beeching 1853 she died 7/9/1897

First name(s) Edmund Polglass
Last name Rundle
Name note -
Age 21
Marriage year 1842
Marriage date 20 Feb 1842
Marriage place Saint Gluvias,Cornwall,England
Father's first name(s) Henry
Father's last name Rundle
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Jane
Spouse's last name Carne
Spouse's age 19
Spouse's birth year 1823
Spouse's birth date 1823
Spouse's father's first name(s) John

First name(s) John
Last name Mcdowell
Birth year 1815
Birth date 08 Oct 1815
Baptism year 1815
Denomination Anglican
Baptism place Stoke Damerel
Father's first name(s) William
Father's occupation Cordwainer
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Residence Dock

You STILL need William's baptism

There is nothing else anyone can do until you find it