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Rob Clifton looking for information on:
John J Barrett DOB: 1865
born to John James Barrett and Rose Anne Barrett (nee: McClean)
John James Barrett was a member of the Royal Artillery as a Sergeant (No 2415)
1881 London census: John J Barrett born in S Town Suffolk was recorded as being a clerk on the railway and living with the above and a brother (Francis Bernard) and sister (Emily M)
By: 1887 no other UK record found

September 12 1887 a Thomas John Clifton arrived in Tasmania and enrols in the Tasmanian Permanent Artillery. We have family photos and correspondence suggesting that Thomas John Clifton is John J Barrett. I cannot find any record of the name change here in Tasmania and I am unsure just where to start looking for it in the UK.

On Thomas John Clifton’s death 22 September 1909 in Launceston Tasmania it was stated in his obituary that he was 44 years and 3 months on his death, making his birth date around 24 June 1865.
Any help or advice would be appreciated. I also have a family tree on My Heritage site.

Is this the 1881?

1881 England Census about John J. Barrett
Name: John J. Barrett
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: John J. Barrett
Mother: Rose A. Barrett
Gender: Male
Where born: S Town, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Allhallows Barking
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 49 Gt Tower St Pension Office
Occupation: Clerk On Raily
Registration district: London City
Sub registration district: Allhallows Barking
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 380
Folio: 7
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John J. Barrett 43 born: Dominique Island of
Rose A. Barrett 45 born: Charlton, Kent, England
John J. Barrett 15
Francis B. Barrett 10 born: Tore ?, Cornwall
Emily M. Barrett 7 born: Chelsea, Middlesex
Alice M. Campbell 11 born: Vauxhall, Surrey (niece)
Mary J. Barrett 30 born: Donegal, Ireland (Sister)

1891 England Census about John James Barrett
Name: John James Barrett
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose Ann Barrett
Gender: Male
Where born: West Indies
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Staff Sergeant of Pensioners
Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Hospital
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 66
Folio: 112
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
John James Barrett 52
Rose Ann Barrett 52
Francis B Barrett 20

1911 England Census about John James Barrett
Name: John James Barrett
Age in 1911: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Dominica, British West Indies
Civil Parish: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 99 Colliers Water Lane, Thornton Heath, Surrey
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Army Pensioner Sergeant Late Of Royal Artillery
Registration district: Croydon
Registration District Number: 39
Sub registration district: West Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Household schedule number: 276
Piece: 3359
Household Members:
Name Age
John James Barrett 73
Rose Ann Barrett 75

.............on the 1911 census they state that they have had 5 children, 4 died but there is a line through number living. The one missing may well be John James Jnr. so I'm wondering if he may have gotten himself into trouble and the family disowned him. So, will take a look at criminal records to see if anything show there. Could also be a reason for him changing his name????


EDIT:- Sorry nothing obvios coming up yet :-(

http://tinyurl.com/q2rmx85

(mention of Thomas John Clifton above, Policeman, if him)


http://tinyurl.com/oqjpdno

(Death, wife Annie)


http://tinyurl.com/pgyqu7h


http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y


Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950 (Ancestry)
Thomas John Clifton
Spouse Name: Annie Batcheljr
Marriage Date: 13 Sep 1889
Marriage Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania
Registration Year: 1889
Registration Number: 593

Chris :)

SOUTHTOWN, or Little Yarmouth, a hamlet in Little Gorleston parish, Suffolk; on the river Yare, opposite Great Yarmouth, and within Yarmouth borough.

(if above, from google)

Thank you Catherine and Chris for your responses, you are both onto the same person I have been researching. Below is further general family history:
Thomas J Clifton’s first 3 daughters knew the answers around TJC’s change of name (according to information from their immediate families) but always shut down when questioned by their off spring and have taken this information to their graves.
John James Barrett was living at 99 Colliers Water Lane until his death. We have photos and correspondence of TJ Clifton’s eldest daughter visiting 99 Colliers Water Lane in 1950 where she stayed with France B Barrett and his wife Allace.
The Barrett’s were Roman Catholic and when TJ Clifton married in Tasmania @ a Presbyterian Manse Anglican and the older members of Tasmanian family were anti Catholic ?????????

JJB/TJC was well educated as after he left the Tasmanian Permanent Artillery he became a police officer then a registrar/bailiff for 17 years before his death (a state employee in his time)
Another interesting fact is TJC first born was named Francis Bernard Clifton, after his brother.

In March 2015 I will be travelling to London and would like to visit some of the family graves. In Tas we have cemetery records online, can anyone put me in the right direction to find UK grave site in the Roman Catholic cemeteries in Croydon area London? I have been able to find a lot of information from headstones and am hoping to visit some sites in the hope of finding any linking information.

Is this John James birth registration?????

from freebmd ..............


Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
BARRETT John Joseph Gregory Mutford 4a 674



Mutford is a registration district in Suffolk that includes Gorleston, although South Town is not mentioned.

Interesting!!

or strange???


There is a Public Family tree on ancestry that has John Joseph Gregory .................. and says he married in 1884 to "unknown"

Tree owner ................
louise lawrence
Owner: Crean64


I found this marriage registration on freebmd, and I think this is what she is referring to ...............


Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
BARRETT John Joseph St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 893
Chapman Kate St Geo Han Sq 1a 893
Ross Patience Mary A St Geo Han Sq 1a 893
Tricker Louie Owen St Geo H. Sq. 1a 893
Tricker Louis Owen St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 893




he married either Kate Chapman OR Patience Mary ............... and Louis Tricker married the other one :-)


another tree is

Milsomfamilyhistory.me.uk
Owner: Derek Milsom


and this one shows


Patience Mary A Ross
Birth 1866-1867 in Hawkesbury


Marriage to John Joseph Barrett
1884 — Age: 18
St George Hanover Sq, London


and one child bron





I think this is wrong!


I can find John J Barrett and Patience in the 1891 and 1901 censuses ....... and John J says he was born in Limerick, Ireland :-)

does this mean anything to you????


from My Heritage

Thomas John (Clifton)


Crystal Campbell
4 years ago


Hi, I'am looking for any infomation on a Thomas John (Clifton) born abt 1865 died Sep 22 1909, he was married to a Martha Anne Georgina Batchelor born 1867 died April 13 1940. he was born in England, but once in Australia he changed his last name to Clifton. I was told the reason for him coming to Australia was because he was a Preist and he wanted to leave and when he got to Australia he changed his last name to Clifton. So I can only go so far without knowing his real last name.

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thank you


Crystal Campbell
member
since Aug 30 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 3

http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Road_Cemetery

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=404819.9


Would take a look at above Robert, the first link should be able to advise, and would be your best bet, not all Burials are online here!, hope your visit goes well next year.


Deaths Dec 1918 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------------------
BARRETT John J 81 Croydon 2a 799


Deaths Mar 1919 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------
Barrett Rose A 84 Croydon 2a 540



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 (Ancestry)

Name: John James Barrett
Probate Date: 14 Jan 1919
Death Date: 15 Dec 1918
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London, England

(of Trevena, 99, Colliers Water Lane Thornton Heath Surrey. Admin. with Will to Rose Ann Barrett widow. Effects £411)


Have you got the Birth Cert. Sylvia posted, just in case, what did it say for 'Father' details on the Marriage Cert.?.

Chris :)

Thank you Sylvia for your response. In relation to Crystal Campbell entry on Heritage, I have made contact with her and she has access to my family tree.

Cheers
Rob