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I am posting in the hope that someone may be able to see something I have missed.

Sorry in advanve for the long post.

My Gt Grandmother is Jane Searle (various spellings)

Depending on which Census you look at she is born in either Cork, Ireland or Swansea about 1850/1.

The first time I can find her is when she married in 1875 as Jane Searle Robinson a widow, in Swansea to Philip Kolter. Her father is shown as Richard Searle, a Master Mariner.

She has one son also Philip Edwin, soon after. Both Phillips die in 1875/6.

I cannot find her in 1881 census.

She then marries George Edwin Crews in 1885. Fathers details the same as previous marriage.

She has a son, George Edwin Searle Crews.

Both Georges are on 1891 census, but Jane is not.

I have her and family on 1901 and 1911 census plus all subsequent history.

On her death in 1921, the name of the informant is J Kolter. This turns out to be Joseph Searle Kolter. The earliest I can find him is on 1891 census as Joe Kolter in Leicester. He joins the army (not on 1901 census) and I have all his subsequent history. Again on the various records his place of brith is either Cork or Swansea. I cannot find a birth for him in England and Wales or Ireland.

Can anyone help with

i. A birth for Jane

ii. A birth for Joseph

iii. Anything at all for Richard Searle.(There are several namesakes born Cornwall, but I can't tie any of them to 'my' Richard)

Sorry for length of post.

Very grateful for any help

Andy

Could you give an approximate birth year for Joseph Searle Kolter?
Thank-you

Added:
This one?
Joseph S Kolter
Birth Date: abt 1875
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1959
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Aled
Inferred County: Denbighshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 351

If this is Jane's marriage it is Bristol not Swansea:
Marriages Jun 1875
Kolter Philip Bristol 6a 9
Robinson Jane Searl Bristol 6a 9

Could Joseph have been born before the marriage?

Sorry, Joseph born about 1875. One of the army records on FMP says 1863, but that's wrong.

Yes, that his his death.


Andy

Phillip Edwin Kolter
Wales, Glamorgan Parish Registers, 1558-1900
baptism: 1876 Swansea St. Mary,? Glamorgan,? Wales
parents: Phillip,? Jane


name: Phillip Edwin Kolter
event: Baptism
event date: 1876
event place: Swansea St. Mary, Glamorgan, Wales
street address: Swansea
age: 0
occupation: Labourer
father: Phillip
mother: Jane

What was the occupation of Philip Kolter from the marriage certificate?
Thanks

Hi

I came upon this chap, name altered?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ernest Searle Coulter
Name: Ernest Searle Coulter
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1900
Registration district: Maidstone
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 818

Regards Jackie

Is this George Crews and Jane Kolter (mis-transcribed) in the Workhouse 1881?


1881


RG number: RG11
Piece: 2957
Folio: 124
Page: 1
Reg. District: Kings Norton
Sub District: Edgbaston
Parish: Northfield
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: Kings Norton Un Wrkhse Selly Oak Northfield, Northfield
County: Worcestershire


WILLIAMS, Edward Head Married M 31 1850 Master (Mun)
Charlbury, Oxfordshire
WILLIAMS, Priscilla Wife Married F 29 1852 Matron (M)
Pembroke Dock, Pembrokeshire, Wales
NUTTALL, Henry Ferns Head Married M 29 1852 Schoolmaster (Mun)
Manchester, Lancashire
NUTTALL, Mary Jane Wife Married F 24 1857 Schoolmistress (M)
Sandbach, Cheshire
NUTTALL, Gertrude Daughter Single F 2 1879
Northfield, Worcestershire
NUTTALL, Edith Daughter Single F 0 1881
Northfield, Worcestershire
WEAVER, Caroline Widow F 35 1846 Nurse (M)
Dudley, Worcestershire

>>>>>HOLTER, Jane Widow F 32 1849 Nurse (M)
Cork, Ireland
>>>>>CREWS, George Single M 23 1858 Shoemaker
Leigh, Worcestershire


plus lots more ............

On the other Army record FMP, looks like this is Jane? (going by address given).


1891
Place of residence: Banstead
Searching within: Households, Institutions, Vessels
Institution CREWS, George Edwin Samul 1887 4 M Epsom Surrey Born Birmingham (looks Searl, not Samul?)
Institution CREWS, Jane 1853 38 F Epsom Surrey (Cottage Mother) Born Bristol

Chris :)

(apologies if not!)

Choccy....

Very good spot for Jane!!

I already had George in the Workhouse. He his actually a teacher there, not an inmate, but I hadn't seen Jane.

So thank you for finding her!

Andy

Chris..

Another excellent find. Thank you

Andy

This Richard is a mariner, perhaps he had wives and families in several ports?
1861 England Census
Richard Searl
Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Master Gender: Male
Where born: Polman, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Vessels
Town: At Sea
County/Island: Misc Ships at Sea or Abroad
Country: England
Registration district: Misc Ships
Sub-registration district: Misc Ships
ED, institution, or vessel: Corrib
Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 4466 Folio: 53
Richard Searl 48
(and crew)

He appears to live in Glamorgan in later censuses.

There are several Richards on the new Masters and Mates register on Ancestry, but cannot tie any of them up.

There is also a birth for Joseph Kelter in Ireland in 1875, but he is not mine (parents Thomas and Bridget)

Andy

Thanks to everyone who as contributed. A lot of new info. All of the family worked in Workhouses and associated hospitals and schools for the next 50 odd years. The last Kolter only died in 2000 and was a headteacher, so kept the family connections with education going.

Andy

Did you find a Death for Philip (senior)?...

The baby was born 8th Feb. 1876, from Baptism image FMP, expect you have this!.

Chris :)

(just reading back again!)

Philip Snr death is

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1875 (>99%)
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Koller Philip 24 Swansea 11a 340


The name is German, and gets spelt several ways.

Andy

aah!, thanks Andy, did see the 1871 Bristol Kalter.

Back to your opening questions...

Chris :)