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Hi all,

Frederick Cole married Emma Absolom in 1909, Southwark, London and although I have managed to locate their children and Emma's siblings I am struggling to find anything out about Frederick.

I have been told that he had brothers called; James,Thomas, and William and at least one sister Maud. Frederick himself was born c1885 most likely in the London area.

Can anyone help me out at all?

Thanks a lot

LL

Until you know accurately where and when he was born, searching will be based on guesswork.

The marriage cert will have his age, and father's details..........

1911 census will tell you where he was born..........

http://fmpbsol.1911census.co.uk/


Unfortunately, both options will incur a cost...............

His presumably fathers birth??? and his marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1851 (>99%)
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Cole Frederick Bishop Croydon 4 135



Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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COLE Frederick Bishop Southwark 1d 25


Dee x

LL,

If the first Frederick Bishop is his father, then this is his marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
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Absolon Rachel Maria St.Saviour 1d 289 <<<????????
Cole Frederick Bishop St Saviour 1d 289
JOBLIN Louisa St. Saviour 1d 289
Lawrence William Frederick St.Saviour 1d 289

This Frederick died in 1890 St Saviour


Did your Frederick marry a cousin????

Dee x

Hi Dee,

I believe that my mother in law did say something about a Cole member of the family marrying her cousin.

Do you want me to double check this info with her?

LL

Hi LL,

I've been looking at the census returns, bearing in mind that Fredericks father possibly died in 1890, this is leaving only the 1881 census to search and I can't pinpoint that one, maybe we should search back threw the Absolom side and try and find Rachel Maria, this could give us a DOB and place of birth for her and then we could search forward again.

Hope you catch my drift and I haven't confused you!!! LOL!!!

Your Frederick possibly took on the middle name "Bishop" in his marriage to carry on his fathers name, if so there is a strong chance that his mother remarried and that's the surname we need to find.

Dee xx

Hi Denise,

Yes apparently Frederick did marry a cousin! it is a bit confusing but I think I understand what you mean.

Thanks a lot for your help

LL

I have found Frederick and Rachel on the 1881 census however, can't trace her birth!

maybe I need a break and come back to it in a little while :)

1891 A*try

Name Age
Rachael Cale 34
Fred Cale 10
Thomas Cale 8
Maud Cale 5
William Cale 4
Lilly Cale 2
RG12; Piece: 360; Folio 10; Page 13;

Maureen

Found this on 1881 not sure if its them though

Frederick COLE Head M Male 30 Walworth, Surrey, England Brass Founder
Rachel COLE Wife M Female 29 Walworth, Surrey, England
Florence COLE Daut Female 5 Walworth, Surrey, England

Dwelling 172 Trafalgar St
Census Place Newington, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341124
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0545 / 69
Page Number 9

Births Jun 1855
Absolon Rachel Newington 1d 201

What Maureenin NY found this is the 1901 census;

1901 England Census
about Rachel Cole
Name: Rachel Cole
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, London, England

Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: St Peter, Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
Rachel Cole 52
Fred Cole 20 General labourer
Thomas Cole 19
William Cole 13
Maud Cole 15

Think it states Rachel is a widow, however the original image isn't very good.

Dee xx

Hi Dee,

First time back to this thread since last night so only just seen your reply.

Thanks a lot for the information which you have supplied it is much appreciated.

Cheers :)

LL

Hello,

I am doing research on this line as well. I am also stuck at Rachel Maria Absalom.

I have their marriage at Oct Nov Dec 1873 St Savior Southwark London. 1d 289.

I found this on Ancestry and they want $38 to get the record. :-( This record will have Rachel's parents on it so I am waiting until I want to part with 38 bucks or find a way to get it cheaper.

I see this thread is 5 years old and I hope someone is still interested in this so we can have some correspondence and work together.

Cheers,

Tracey

Hi Tracey,

The marriage you found.

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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Name: ABSOLON, Rachel Maria
Registration district: St. Saviour Southwark
County: London
Year of registration: 1873
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 1D
Page no: 289

MarriageFinder: Rachel Maria Absolon married one of the following people:

COLE, Frederick Bishop

LAWRENCE, William Frederick

JOBLIN, Louisa


It would perhaps be better to start your own thread about this.

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1871 census transcription details for: Dale St, St Mary Newington
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 613
Folio: 43
Page: 3
Reg. District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub District: St John Walworth St Peter Ward
Parish: St Mary Newington
Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Dale St, St Mary Newington
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
ABSOLON, Francis Head painter M 60 1811 Surrey
ABSOLON, Emma Wife F 55 1816 Surrey
ABSOLON, William Son painter M 21 1850 Surrey
>>ABSOLON, Rachel Daughter servant F 16 1855 Surrey
ABSOLON, Rebecca Daughter F 16 1855 Surrey



1861 census transcription details for: 8, Northampton Place, St Mary Newington, Lambeth
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09
Piece: 343
Folio: 131
Page: 20
Reg. District: Newington
Sub District: 2 St Peter Walworth
Parish: St Mary Newington
Enum. District: 50
Ecclesiastical District: St Peters
City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: 8, Northampton Place, St Mary Newington, Lambeth
County: London, Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ABSALOM, Francis Head Married M 56 1805 ...
Newington
ABSALOM, Emma Wife Married F 44 1817
Newington
ABSALOM, William ... Son M 12 1849 Scholar
Newington
ABSALOM, Martha Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Newington
ABSALOM, Rebecca Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar
Newington
ABSALOM, Rachel Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar
Newington



1851 census transcription details for: 8, Northampton Place, Saint Mary Newington, Lambeth
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1567
Folio: 886
Page: 42
Reg. District: Newington
Sub District: Saint Peter Walworth
Parish: Saint Mary Newington
Enum. District: 30
Ecclesiastical District: Saint Peter Walworth
City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: 8, Northampton Place, Saint Mary Newington, Lambeth
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ABSOLON, Francis Head Married M 41 1810 Painter Glazier And Etc
Newington, Surrey
ABSOLON, Emma Wife Married F 36 1815
St Saviours, Surrey
ABSOLON, Francis Son M 12 1839 Errand Boy
Newington, Surrey
ABSOLON, Charles Son M 8 1843
Newington, Surrey
ABSOLON, Richard Son M 6 1845
Newington, Surrey
ABSOLON, Amelia Daughter F 4 1847
Newington, Surrey
ABSOLON, William Son M 2 1849
Newington, Surrey


1841 census transcription details for: Northampton Place, St Mary Newington, Lambeth
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1064
Book/Folio: 12/25
Page: 43
Reg. District: St Mary Newington
Sub District: St Peter
Parish: St Mary Newington
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: Northampton Place, St Mary Newington, Lambeth
County: Surrey
Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CHANCE, George M 37 1804
CHANCE, Elizabeth F 35 1806
CHANCE, George M 11 1830
CHANCE, Sarah F 9 1832 Surrey
CHANCE, William M 7 1834 Surrey
CHANCE, Joseph M 2 1839 Surrey
ABSOLON, Frances M 30 1811 Surrey
ABSOLON, Emma F 25 1816 Surrey
ABSOLON, Francis M 3 1838 Surrey
ABSOLON, Rebecca F 0 (4 months) 1841 Surrey
CORBETT, Susan F 60 1781 Surrey
CORBETT, John M 19 1822 Surrey
CORBETT, Elizabeth F 17 1824 Surrey

1871 census


Person: ABSOLON, Rachel Address: Dale St, St Mary Newington

ABSOLON, Francis Head M 60 1811 Surrey VIEW
ABSOLON, Emma Wife F 55 1816 Surrey VIEW
ABSOLON, William Son M 21 1850 Surrey VIEW
ABSOLON, Rachel Daughter F 16 1855 Surrey VIEW
ABSOLON, Rebecca Daughter F 16 1855 Surrey VIEW


NOTE:

The above is taken from FMP, but the same info is FREE to all on familysearch.org

1861 census


Person: ABSALOM, Rachel Address: 8, Northampton Place, St Mary Newington, Lambeth

ABSALOM, Francis Head Married M 56 1805 ...
Newington VIEW
ABSALOM, Emma Wife Married F 44 1817
Newington VIEW
ABSALOM, William ... Son M 12 1849 Scholar
Newington VIEW
ABSALOM, Martha Daughter F 10 1851 Scholar
Newington VIEW
ABSALOM, Rebecca Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar
Newington VIEW
ABSALOM, Rachel Daughter F 5 1856 Scholar
Newington

Tracey

Whatever you do.........DO NOT obtain copy certs through Ancestry......they're a rip-off.

All England /Wales certs can be obtained for the equivalent of £9.25 each including worldwide postage from...............

http://www.gro.gov.uk/GRO/content/certificates/default.asp

INFO:

England/Wales marriage certs name only the fathers of the couple marrying....NOT the mothers, so If a child was illegitimate, there will be no info

Name: Francis Absalom

Spouse's Name: Emma Clark

Event Date: 29 Aug 1837
Event Place: St. Mary, Lambeth, Surrey, England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03345-6

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Francis Absalom
Name: Francis Absalom painter and glazier of 26 Prince's St
Spouse Name: Emma Clark of 36 George St
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Aug 1837
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Thomas Absalom, painter and glazier
Spouse Father: Thomas Clark, hatter
Register Type: Parish Register


James? and Amelia Gandie were witnesses.



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Francis Absalom
Name: Francis Absalom
Spouse Name: Emma Clark
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 30 Jul 1837
Parish: Lambeth St Mary
Borough: Lambeth
Register Type: Parish Register





England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Francis Absolom
Name: Francis Absolom
Estimated birth year: abt 1810
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1875
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Staines
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 4