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Maeve

Maeve Report 26 Dec 2013 20:10

Looking for information on Owen Nolan born England 1861/1862. I am trying to connect him to a marriage certificate I have with the name Owen Nolan on it.
The family probably came from Ireland and returned to Dublin before 1901 as I have found him on the 1901 census and am hoping I have the right person.
Thanks in advance for any help.

safc

safc Report 26 Dec 2013 20:15

????

Owen Nolan in household of Hugh Nolan, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Owen Nolan
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Relationship to Head of Household:
Birthplace: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-District: All Saints
Parish: All Saints
County: Northumberland
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Hugh Nolan M 44 Ireland
Wife Rossa Nolan F 42 Ireland
James Nolan M 16 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Cathrin Nolan F 15 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Mark Nolan M 12 Bishop Auckland, Durham
Owen Nolan M 10 Newcastle Upon Tyne xxxx
Thomas Nolan M 8 Newcastle Upon Tyne
Hugh Nolan M 6 Newcastle Upon Tyne
Auther Nolan M 0 Newcastle Upon Tyne

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Dec 2013 20:16

Hello Maeve, it's not an uncommon name so have you any clues as to where in England?

Could you give us some further info about the marriage certificate in question?

safc

safc Report 26 Dec 2013 20:26

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
NOLAN Hugh BYRNE Rosanna Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/48/191

Hugh Nolan, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Hugh Nolan
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Anne Byrnes
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 09 Oct 1853
Event Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Anne
Spouse's Father's Name: Owen
Spouse's Mother's Name: Anne
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01634-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 396381
Reference ID:

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Dec 2013 20:49

Is this the 1901 referred to?

Residents of a house 13.8 in Henrietta Street (Inns Quay, Dublin)

Nolan Bridget 14 Female Daughter R C City of Dublin Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Nolan Teresa 10 Female Daughter R C City of Dublin Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Nolan Elizabeth Female Daughter R C City of Dublin - Cannot read - Not Married -
Nolan Owen 39 Male Head of Family Rom Catholic England Clerk (Solicitors) Read and write - Married -
Nolan Matthew 8 Male Son R C City of Dublin Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Nolan Ellen 37 Female Wife R C Co Dublin - Read and write - Married -

image:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003688752/

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 26 Dec 2013 22:01

Cant locate the family 1911 but wonder if this is the Baptism of Matthew....

Name MATHIA NOLAN
Date of Birth 30 November 1890
Address 5 COOK ST
Father EUGENUS NOLAN
Mother ELEANOR DANGLE

Further details in the record (St Audoen)
Sponsor 1 PATRICIUS KEANE
Sponsor 2 CATHERINA LUNDY

Dont see any other Baptism with same parents...alsomaiden name for Eleanor possibly "Dingle" rather than "Dangle"...

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 26 Dec 2013 22:08

????

Name MARIA CATHERINA NOLAN
Date of Birth 11 July 1884
Address 55 BALLYBRUGH RD
Father EUGENIUS NOLAN
Mother HELENA DINGLE

Further details in the record (St Agatha)
Sponsor 1 TERESIA FARRELL

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Dec 2013 09:30

Who/when/ where did this man marry?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Dec 2013 11:13


Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958 about Owen Nolan
Name: Owen Nolan
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1883
Registration District: Dublin North
Volume: 2
Page Number: 554
FHL Film Number: 101254
Records on Page:
Name
Ellen Dingle <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mary Boulger
Owen Nolan <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
James Kenna
William Green
Anne Monahan
Mary Toole
Mathew Cahill
Elizabeth Daly
Thomas Kearney
Julia Carter
Elizabeth Sumner

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Dec 2013 11:18

???


1881 England Census about Owen Nolan
Name: Owen Nolan
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne

Civil Parish: Newcastle on Tyne St John
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Marshalls Court
Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Occupation: Wine Merchants Cellerman

Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration District: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5060
Folio: 156
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Convery 42
Ann Convery 40
Mary Ann Convery 22
John Joseph Convery 14
Isabella Convery 8
Margaret Convery 6
Thomas Convery 4
Emily Convery 1
Thomas Convery 45
John Derby 22
Owen Nolan 19

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Dec 2013 11:20


1861 England Census about Owen Nowlan
Name: Owen Nowlan
Age: 2 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Hugh Nowlan
Mother's Name: Rose Ann Nowlan
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: All Saints
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View Image

Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration District: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 105
Piece: 3826
Folio: 30
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Nowlan 32
Rose Ann Nowlan 30
James Nowlan 6
Catherine Nowlan 5
Mark Nowlan 2
Owen Nowlan 2 Months


Does any of what we have found link to what you know, Maeve?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Dec 2013 11:29

IF he's sthe same person, in 1881 he's a Wine merchant's cellarman, and in 1901 he's a solicitor's clerk. No reason why he can't have changed his occupation.

But as MC said, it's not an uncommon name - and there's also this one in Newcastle 1901 (so obviously not the same as the Dublin one), who is a Something Hewer:


1901 England Census about Owen Nolan
Name: Owen Nolan
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Sarah Nolan
Birth Place: Newcastle Tyne
Civil Parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Owen Nolan 40
Sarah Nolan 45
Cathrine Nolan 9
Stephen Nolan 1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Dec 2013 11:41

There's only one Owen Nolan birth on FreeBMD, anywhere in England/Wales 1858-1865:

Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
NOLAN Owen Gateshead 10a 632

The 1901 Dublin Owen was apparently born in England - but the 1901 Newcastle one was too.
They can't both be correct.

Cynthia

Cynthia Report 27 Dec 2013 11:49

As Maeve is new to the Community boards, I'll send her a message to let her know she has replies. :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Dec 2013 12:53

Possible death of Newcastle Owen, in case he's the one Maeve's looking for:

Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)
Nolan Owen 80 Newcastle T. 10b 32

and his marriage:
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Forrest Sarah Newcastle T 10b 216
NOLAN Owen Newcastle T. 10b 216


Just a wild guess at Sarah's death:
Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
NOLAN Sarah 48 Gateshead 10a 514

?? Son Stephen at school in 1911:

1911 England Census about Stephen Nolan
Name: Stephen Nolan
Age in 1911: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Newcastle
Civil Parish: Gainford
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Occupation: School
Registration District: Teesdale
Registration District Number: 548
Sub-registration District: Staindrop
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 29787
Household Members:
Name Age
John McDermott 9
Albert McDermott 6
James McNally 7
Frank McNally 4
John Mooney 6
George McLackland 6
Joseph McLackland 3
James Marston 11
Fred Marston 9
Michael McHugh 6
Richard Mason 4
Stephen Nolan 11
(and many others)

mgnv

mgnv Report 27 Dec 2013 19:55

Here's FreeCEN's transcription, with more details:
1861 Census
Piece: RG9/3826 Place: All Saints -Northumberland Enumeration District: 2B
Civil Parish: All Saints Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Folio: 30 Page: 18 Schedule: 105
Address: 7 Gallon Entry
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
NOWLAN Hugh Head M M 32 Shoe Maker Ireland - -
NOWLAN Rose Ann Wife M F 30 - Ireland - -
NOWLAN James Son - M 6 Scholar Co. Durham - Bishop Auckland
NOWLAN Catherine Dau - F 5 Scholar Co. Durham - Bishop Auckland
NOWLAN Mark Son - M 2 - Co. Durham - Bishop Auckland
NOWLAN Owen Son - M 2m - Northumberland - Newcastle

FMP spell it as:
RG09/3826 30 18 NEWLAN, Owen Newcastle-Upon-Tyne VIEW VIEW

Maeve

Maeve Report 27 Dec 2013 20:40

First, thanks to Cynthia for the helpful information and to everyone else for the really quick replies. Thanks again.
The marriage certificate I have is my grandfather and grandmother, Michael Kenna and Bridget Nolan who were married on 2 October 1912 in St Laurence O'Toole church in Dublin. Bridget's father's name is given as Owen, his profession as far as I can make out is working with the fire brigade but that may have been a a volunteer, but I am sure he was deceased by this time.

I was connecting it to the Nolan in the 1901 census in Henrietta Street as Bridget had a sister Teresa with that age gap. Owen's wife being named Ellen is another kind of tenous connection as that was my mother's name (Bridget being her mother).

I could not find any trace of Owen and Ellen in the 1912 census but I did find on the Glasnevin website:

Death-Owen Nolan 1903 - age 41 - born 1862

Death- Ellen Nolan 1902 - age 38 - born 1864

Death - Elizabeth Nolan 1904 - age 3 - Born 1901.

I think the marriage on the civil records is them as well.

The baptism of Maria (one of the sponsors Teresa Farrell). I have been looking through the Irish Church records and the Dingles and Farrells appear to be related by marriage.

Once again thanks to all for the replies and the effort put in to the information. It is most kind of everyone. :-)

Thanks again
Maeve

mgnv

mgnv Report 27 Dec 2013 20:55

ArgyllGran's post of a potential marr for Owen is a bit presumptive.
The FreeBMD hit actually reads:

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
DUNN Margaret Isabella Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 216
Forrest Sarah Newcastle T 10b 216
NOLAN Owen Newcastle T. 10b 216
Walpole Robert Fraser Newcastle T. 10b 216

So there's nothing there to say Owen didn't wed Margt Dunn.
However, it's in Newcastle, pre-1901 so we can also check the local index:
http://www2.newcastle.gov.uk/msearch.nsf/MarriageSearch

Unfortunately, although the postal application form says "Entry No.", it is in fact a page #, so there's 4 names appearing, and the local index, in itself, doesn't resolve anything:
1898 FORREST Sarah
1898 LITTLE William
1898 NOLAN Owen
1898 JACKSON Hannah
Marriage venue - Church unknown
Register No./Entry No.
RO168/71

However, comparing the two sets of names, we see that the GRO page is misaligned with the local page, and the local page has one couple from GRO p216 and one couple from GRO p215:

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Forster Mary Isabella Newcastle T 10b 215
Jackson Hannah Newcastle T. 10b 215
LITTLE William Newcastle T. 10b 215
MCDONALD John Newcastle T 10b 215

so taking the two indexes together, ArgyllGran's presumption was justified.

[The RO prefix to the "Register No." reference indicates it's the Registery Office register, but this register was also used for non-conformist marrs, as (pre-1898) non-conformists (excl jews & quakers) weren't authorized to keep official regos, and the registrar had to attend with his official rego for the couple to sign, and their marr would be mixed in with all the rego office marrs.
Authorization to keep official regos wasn't instantaneous - there was paper-work involved, plus the church had to provide a secure storage for the rego - my wife's grandparents wed in a Wesleyan Church in 1902 with the registrar attending - this church was only authorized in 1903. RC's weren't allowed to be authorized until (I think) the 1980s.
Although the official marr rego for these non-conformist marrs was in the possession of the registrar, there was nothing to stop the church from keeping it's own records of the event, as we see from safc's post:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJW3-YP2
An FS catalog search of the film # shows the church as:
Catholic Church. St. Anthony's Chapel (Liverpool, Lancashire)]

safc

safc Report 27 Dec 2013 21:15

Owen Nolan in entry for Stephanus Nolan, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Stephanus Nolan
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 05 Nov 1899
Christening Place: St. Dominic, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Owen Nolan
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Saræ Forrest
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05809-4
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1936944
Reference ID: